Come at me England

Pinkribbonscars said:
Considering the lists were made by different people and has no guarantee of their completeness I'd say comparing them is utterly pointless, and who's to know whether the inventions would have been made without the Union? And what of Scottish people inventing things in England and vice-versa, for which side does it count?

I would hope most of it is tongue in cheek, but this sort of thing can be taken the wrong way, and people will undoubtably take things too far, which is where the entrenching of division comes in.

I would rather we were all proud of our collective achievements, because I believe we wouldn't have made anywhere near as many if we'd have stayed seperate.
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I think there are pretty comprehensive lists and records of history, as for the Union then that's a historian's fallacy in that context for all intents and purposes and the effect is debatable and a lot of the time irrelevent. The English/Scottish/Irish/Welsh thing is a valid point, but it would depend on how serious you take this I suppose. :)

Britain has always been divided however? Science didn't follow political boundries pre 'Union', it wouldn't after. Our collectiveness came from our proximity, not a political Union that for a very long time had no effect what so ever on this subject if any at all.
 
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dmpoole said:
Whoever invented the toilet wins
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Biohazard said:
I think that would be the Chinese then.
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That would depend entirely on whether dmpoole is referring to the flushing toilet or simply a receptacle to poo into.

The Chinese invented toilet paper rather than the actual toilet, which incidentally has been found in civilisations dating as far back as neolithic times.

Come on Biohazard, Skara Brae?

But the modern flushing toilet was invented by Sir John Harington or the Islamic polymath al-Jazari, depending on your ideology I suspect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Jazari

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harington_(writer)
 
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Castiel said:
That would depend entirely on whether dmpoole is referring to the flushing toilet or simply a receptacle to poo into.

The Chinese invented toilet paper rather than the actual toilet, which incidentally has been found in civilisations dating as far back as neolithic times.

Come on Biohazard, Skara Brae?
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Apparently they found evidence of a 'flushing' toilet in China not that long ago.
 
Biohazard said:
Apparently they found evidence of a 'flushing' toilet in China not that long ago.
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I think the Skara Brae was something like 3000 years BC, or something mental like that. Similarly with the Harappans of the Indus valley who had extensive flowing water sanitation.

Those Indian Polymaths pretty much invented everything before we did.
 
Castiel said:
I think the Skara Brae was something like 3000 years BC, or something mental like that. Similarly with the Harappans of the Indus valley who had extensive flowing water sanitation.

Those Indian Polymaths pretty much invented everything before we did.
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I want to visit Skara Brae it looks so cool. My history teacher had a huge wall poster of the houses and I used to sit and stare at it for ages, half in awe and half curiosity at the good lifestyle they made for themself. I think I'd be quite happy there back then, with my chess set ;)
 
Biohazard said:
I want to visit Skara Brae it looks so cool. My history teacher had a huge wall poster of the houses and I used to sit and stare at it for ages, half in awe and half curiosity at the good lifestyle they made for themself. I think I'd be quite happy there back then, with my chess set ;)
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Likewise. I love that kind of history. I find it humbling that we assume we know so much, yet really we know so little.
 
Robbo said:
There aren't many Pakistanis and blacks where I am.

In London (which doesn't feel like an English place :() that's fair enough though :p
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London was originally an Italian place with a very large Romanian (Dacian) population and a fair few people from as far afield as Africa and the middle East (it was a trading port from the beginning, so people came from all over the empire). Were there any English people? I don't recall off the top of my head whether the Angles were inside the Roman empire or not.
 
i always thought rome was very different from italy, as romans came from germany ?

yeah history tells us london has always been a **** hole and it still is..

for the size of scotland its done very well but not nearly as well as england
 
Biohazard said:
I want to visit Skara Brae it looks so cool. My history teacher had a huge wall poster of the houses and I used to sit and stare at it for ages, half in awe and half curiosity at the good lifestyle they made for themself. I think I'd be quite happy there back then, with my chess set ;)
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It would have been a hard life. That place was damn hard work to live on before modern technology - that's why Skara Brae was abandoned and never built over even though nobody knew it was there.

It's an impressive place in context. Wattle and daub roundhouses were the norm in those days. A village of well built stone houses with what appears to be a flushing toilet system is quite startling in comparison.
 
Mickie said:
i always thought rome was very different from italy, as romans came from germany ?
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Eh, what?

yeah history tells us london has always been a **** hole and it still is..
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It went from nothing to a major city in under 20 years, was rebuilt after the Boudiccan revolt as one of the most advanced cities in the world and was a major trading port and seat of power. It regained all of those things in medieval times. It's an inspiring place.

for the size of scotland its done very well but not nearly as well as england
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True. But what other small country has?
 
Angilion said:
It would have been a hard life. That place was damn hard work to live on before modern technology - that's why Skara Brae was abandoned and never built over even though nobody knew it was there.

It's an impressive place in context. Wattle and daub roundhouses were the norm in those days. A village of well built stone houses with what appears to be a flushing toilet system is quite startling in comparison.
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No doubt, yet nearly all lives back then would have been hard to a certain extent. Rough place to live but that is uniquely addressed with the construction of their stone village. I think their remote setting had certain benefits, although the advancements are a certainly a wonder.

I know it sounds a bit crazy, but being able to see what was someone's home so far back with the cupboards dressers and furniture still there, or at least put back together. It just looks quaint, which of course is decieving but they must have been formidable people to carve that life out for themself. The reason for departure is open to debate, but it's certainly plausable that climate change was the reason but that wouldn't really have an effect on their position before though. Still an accomplishment whatever happened.
 
weyland yutani said:
Wales gave the world this

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We win :D
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He may have been born in Wales but he's mostly English :D
 
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