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Well given how right I normally am, it is understandable
And Yes, Cole, Sol & Jeffers should have been off (thus giving a 11 v 8 advantage to Man U??), I am glad you have that correct now I was wondering when you would admit it. Clearly we are remembering different things regarding Scholes, I saw him do nothing worse than a yellow card offence. I have not said he was a saint as he never is, but I seriously cannot recall a red card offence from him & that s not blind favouratism as I LIKE TO WATCH GOOD FOOTBALL, which Arsenal normally play. Also even if he did deserve a red, which I question doesn't make the others less deserving of one & Man U would have still have had a 2 man advantage.Very true
Originally posted by CliffyG
What did Cole deserve a red for? and how can you suggest anyone other than RvN needed penalising for diving.
Kicking Ole deliberatly. If not enough for a red (which it was) certainly enough for the 2nd yellow. & yes RVN dived, did I say he didn't? Tbh he does it so much that is kinda a gimme, but all we hear of Vieira is how the sun shines out of him
but this clearly isn't always the case.WTF, surely that makes it worse? And how hard is it to realise or remember 'One should not kick another player deliberatly in anger' methinks both Cole & Jeffers should know better as well
Tru, love the pic.
But your still saying Scholes shouldn't have been sent off. His kick was as bad as Cole's because it was deliberate
Also why are you forgetting that Sol nearly had his balls taken off by Djemba, having your foot that high and going into a player simply isn't on.
Also why are you forgetting that Sol nearly had his balls taken off by Djemba, having your foot that high and going into a player simply isn't on.
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In the case of Djemba Djemba though, I don't think he intended to hurt Campbell. It was just his momentum that carried him through. I think the referee understood that Campbell took a fair whack from it though and that is why he was so lenient as to let him off. Jeffers, Cole and Scholes were inexcusable though.
I don't know how many times I have to say this, but here goes one more time
I DO NOT REMEMBER SCHOLES COMMITING A RED CARD OFFENCE
I just don't, I may have missed it I may be remembering it wrong but I seriously don't remember it & have said above that even if he did & was sent off that would have been fine by me, there would have been replays for one to clarify
& the ref would have had even less of an excuse than his Arsenal season ticket for not sending off Cole & Sol.I am not forgetting that there was a bad challenge on Sol, that challenge is NOT THE POINT. At the time it happened I thought immediately that Djemba was gonna get a Yellow for a potentially dangerous Tackle & Campbell was going to get a red for reacting. It has been made abundantly clear to everyone players, managers & supporters alike that you do not lash out following a tackle, see Jeffers today, Beckham at the world cup & Keane on numerous occasions, you just don't do it as it should equal a sending off.
You can bet your ass that had that 'nearly' been actual or rather just connected with leg or stomach (as had it been the balls Sol would have gone down like anyone else) Campbell would have been straight up off the floor, a crowd of players around him & Djemba would have been off, had he got up & kicked him he would have been off. The fact that Djemba missed means nothing, Campbell kicked him, Campbell should have walked, straight red. The end. & I really hope you understand what I am saying as I have put it as clearly as I think I can
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I didn't think Djemba Djemba had missed. I watched the game this afternoon and remember contact being made with Campbell's right leg. The only thing he missed was Campbell's balls.
OK, Scholes' tackle was in the first half. Lauren had it in the right back spot, cut inside past Scholes. A second after Lauren had played it past Scholes and gone to run after it, Scholes hacked out at him. It wasn't an attempt to get the ball as the ball was long gone, and where Scholes kicked, the ball had never been. That, in my eyes, makes his offence no better than that of Ashley Cole.
OK, Scholes' tackle was in the first half. Lauren had it in the right back spot, cut inside past Scholes. A second after Lauren had played it past Scholes and gone to run after it, Scholes hacked out at him. It wasn't an attempt to get the ball as the ball was long gone, and where Scholes kicked, the ball had never been. That, in my eyes, makes his offence no better than that of Ashley Cole.
He did make some contact yeah but I mean a proper straight in stud marks left blow. I agree with all it was a bad tackle/lunge & worthy of a yellow, but the reaction was a red card offence, simple as that imo. In fact given the ref's bias I believe it was sol's reaction which meant that no cards were given for that spat at all & the ref somehow saw a way out.
That could be the thing I was thinking of but I believe at that time I was arguing with my sister & thus not paying full attention. Thus as I have said many a time I don't remember seeing it, but I am not denying it happened & if it did then yes I don't object to Scholes being sent of either in any way shape or form.
What I am saying though is that 3 Arsenal players should have been sent off with the allowance of 1 Man U player being sent off, still giving Man U a hefty advantage & meaning that it is reasonable to assume they would have lost the game before it came to penalties which is what I have been trying to say all along, though Jazz has now kind of admitted that 3 players of Arsenals should have gone so I had almost thought discussion done (oh what a naive thought)
I believe it was sol's reaction which meant that no cards were given for that spat at all & the ref somehow saw a way out.That could be the thing I was thinking of but I believe at that time I was arguing with my sister & thus not paying full attention. Thus as I have said many a time I don't remember seeing it, but I am not denying it happened & if it did then yes I don't object to Scholes being sent of either in any way shape or form.
What I am saying though is that 3 Arsenal players should have been sent off with the allowance of 1 Man U player being sent off, still giving Man U a hefty advantage & meaning that it is reasonable to assume they would have lost the game before it came to penalties which is what I have been trying to say all along, though Jazz has now kind of admitted that 3 players of Arsenals should have gone so I had almost thought discussion done (oh what a naive thought
)Sol showed the stud marks on his shorts the ref and then the ref decided not to send him off. Djemba didn't do it on purpose but he sure did make contact, that is why the ref let off Sol. The ref showed common sense for once in his life.
We should have had 2 off and man utd 1 off. I have not said 3 of our players should have been off
We should have had 2 off and man utd 1 off. I have not said 3 of our players should have been off
Originally posted by Jazz
We should have had 2 off and man utd 1 off. I have not said 3 of our players should have been off
scholes should have been booked not sent off, djembas tackle may have been high but it wasnt intentional like campbell kickin him in the ass was
Studs showing and nearly straight into his balls, that is why Campbell reacted like he did.
IMO Cole and Jeffers should have been off as they kicked out, Scholes did the same so he should have gone as well. Only difference between his kick and Jeffers was that Jeffers hit Neville harder.
IMO Cole and Jeffers should have been off as they kicked out, Scholes did the same so he should have gone as well. Only difference between his kick and Jeffers was that Jeffers hit Neville harder.
Not wishing to be pedantic here, but there IS NO new offside rule, there is no alteration to the rule as it stands, the referee's have been told in the case of "just level" to give the advantage to the attackers, but that has been the case for 5 years and they stil havnt done it.
'cause if that was the case, Anelka would be the highest scoring striker in the game as he is "just level" about 18 times a match, but retarded linesmen and referee's dont follow fifa directives.
But like i said there is no "daylight rule".
No, no it wasn't says a bleary eyed Cem. Game was reshown in the early hours this morning so I watched again just to clarify this & the damn thing was in the 2nd half
Having now seen it clearly I have the following to say about it. It was NOT as bad as Cole's or Campbells. It made contact with an area where the shin pad should protect which is what I had originally thought. He DID get yellow carded. He did kick out & to an area where the ball was not which I agree is wrong but there was no malice in it & it certainly wasn't a hard kick. If you were being utterly harsh he should have walked but as it stands the yellow was fair. The reason it was 'better' than Cole's is that Cole leaped up spinning & kicked Ole as hard as he could and the ref was right there & gained an extra free season ticket for Arsenal, should have been straight off.Had it been a good solid contact however do you not think Campbell would have been on the ground? I don't deny contact was made as I watched it but it wasn't particularly bad. The worst bit of it for tripod Sol would have been the split second before wondering about being a parent. There was as you say no malice in Djemba's tackle but it was a bad one & could have ended badly for Campbell. But that still does not justify the reaction. Not one bit. He should have walked and would you now please admit the very simple rule lashing out like that = off you Gilly you
.Btw, I nearly had tears in my eyes laughing at the comparrison to Scholes' kick to that of Jeffers Jazz
Of all the points you have made so far (including the sarcastoc yellow for lauren for being in the way of Scholes' foot) that is the funniest. A single kick to the shin pad was the same but less power that studs down the chest, a kick to the back of the head & a booting whilst on the floor Think you got them glasses tinted twice Did you even watch the match? He was a barely ahead of Silvestre for the FIRST goal.
atpbx, sky said thats the new offside rule :dunno:
Cem, Scholes kicked Lauren and Jeffers kicked Neville. Both were out of order and both deserved red cards. Your not gonna agree with me and I ain't gonna agree with you, so no point going on because we are going round and round with this arguement.....
There is no new rule just a clarification.
& not true, we are not going in circles you are just not answering the questions I have admitted & in fact said that Scholes can go off, it doesn't matter to the point I have made and you have ignored 3 Arsenal players should have gone at most 1 Man U player, Man U would have had a huge advantage & most likely killed the game before the end of the 90 so tackle this point instead of chosing random ones which have nowt to do with it .
I agree that we don't see the Scholes incident in the same manner at all, however I must ask you this, do you really think they are of the same severity. In my opinion have Scholes got a red then a 3 match ban & that is the end of it. Jeffers however should be banned for a great deal more time as his reaction was pretty much the worst I have seen.
& not true, we are not going in circles you are just not answering the questions
I have admitted & in fact said that Scholes can go off, it doesn't matter to the point I have made and you have ignored 3 Arsenal players should have gone at most 1 Man U player, Man U would have had a huge advantage & most likely killed the game before the end of the 90 so tackle this point instead of chosing random ones which have nowt to do with it .I agree that we don't see the Scholes incident in the same manner at all, however I must ask you this, do you really think they are of the same severity. In my opinion have Scholes got a red then a 3 match ban & that is the end of it. Jeffers however should be banned for a great deal more time as his reaction was pretty much the worst I have seen.