Complete noob needs help

[SpaceGoblin]

Hi

I need to build a new PC. I've never done it before but I like doing things myself. My old PC was too old to play fallout 4 back in 2015. I decided to get a ps4 instead of upgrading my i7 860 with GTS 240. So basically I have no reusable parts.

I need some advice whether the following will work:


My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Thermal Grizzly Aeronaut High Performance Thermal Paste - 1g (SKU: TH-023-TG) = £5.99
• 1 x Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-6K0-AS) = £169.99
• 1 x TeamGroup Delta RGB 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-51200C40 6400MHz Dual Channel Kit - White (SKU: MY-0AW-TG) = £119.99
• 1 x Crucial T705 1TB NVMe PCIe Gen5 M.2 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-CRU-01869) = £178.99
• 1 x Gigabyte Radeon RX 6800 Gaming OC 16GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-1CV-GI) = £424.99
• 1 x Aerocool Integrator Gold 1000W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply (SKU: CA-23U-AE) = £99.95
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core 5.00GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DT-AM) = £359.99
• 1 x Cooler Master MasterLiquid PL240 Flux White All In One CPU Cooler - 240mm (SKU: HS-08W-CM) = £109.99

Total: £1,469.88 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

I think I read somewhere that for the 78003d you need to at least have a £800 GPU otherwise its a waste. Is this true? In my mind I was hoping that I could get a decent chip and workable motherboard and then I can upgrade other things as time goes on? As long as The chip and motherboard will last 10 years that is? Is that even plausible?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

 

[5abr3]

CPU vs GPU priority is very dependent on workload, any idea what you plan to use it for particularly?

Also the RAM you have picked doesn't have EXPO settings detailed (AMD's version of XMP profiles).

 

[tamzzy]

CPU vs GPU priority is very dependent on workload, any idea what you plan to use it for particularly?

this ^

 

[Tetras]

I think I read somewhere that for the 78003d you need to at least have a £800 GPU otherwise its a waste. Is this true? In my mind I was hoping that I could get a decent chip and workable motherboard and then I can upgrade other things as time goes on? As long as The chip and motherboard will last 10 years that is? Is that even plausible?

For what purpose should it last 10 years?

We need more context on what you're doing with the PC and what your expectations are, because otherwise it is very hard to give you any meaningful advice.

Will the 7800X3D last for 10 years playing the latest AAA games at 4K, with a 1-2 year old £800 graphics card? No, it will not.

Will it be able to play games in 10 years time? Sure..., but the equivalent CPU (i7-4770K) is starting to reach the end of playability in the latest AAA games and you're targeting 60 fps, rather than the 150+ that I'd expect from the 7800X3D right now.

Gaming with the i7 4790 in 2023.

If you wanted top tier performance in 2014 but didn't want to overclock or spend extra on the "K" version, then the standard 4790 would have been perfect for...

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In terms of: do they have the ability to last 10 years physically, who knows, that kind of thing is always a dice roll. Realistically, I'd expect at least 3-5 before you start to see any problems, but obviously some usage is harder than others and with frequent use you can start wearing out the USB ports, fan bearings and such.

Assuming all you're doing is gaming, I'd recommend that you:
- Swap the PCI-E 5.0 SSD for a 2TB PCI-E 4.0 SSD like the SN580.
- Swap the AIO for a phantom spirit or peerless assassin.
- Swap the RAM for EXPO @ 6000/C30-C36
- Upgrade the graphics card to a 7900 GRE.

 

[xaldub]

Definitely don't buy the PCI-E gen 5 NVMe drive ... the increased performance over a gen 4 drive just isn't worth it. You could either get a 1TB gen 4 drive for half the price, or a 2 TB gen 4 for a similar price to the one in your basket ( I'd recommend a 2 TB ... modern games takes up a lot of space ).

 

[Craig_d1]

Well, seeing as you're talking about Fallout 4 I'm guessing this is a gaming rig foremost, especially if you're looking at the 7800x3d

1 thing you forgot to mention is price, so put 2 similar looking builds together below

this is with a 4070super build...similar in line with the 7900 GRE(in raster gre beats it by a couple %, but looses out in raytracing and dlss bering better than fsr). the 4070s will be about 28% faster than the 6800, and also be more efficient
There a fast 2tb pcie4 ssd in there (read 7400, write 7000) which is reasonably priced, and you'll benefit far more the extra storage than the speed of the pcie5
Used the same tuf gaming board as it's decent for the price and will handle anything
the msi psu is good, 10yrs warranty and atx3.0 compliant, on offer at mo
Zotac card just a basic 2 fan 4070s. nothing fancy
I put the deepcool cooler on ther eas £35. it's more than up to the task for a 7800x3d. Peeless assassin Ocuk don't sell, but put something in for price...as a guide the deepcool ak400 i think was only 0.5degrees behing the assassin spirit, and this is a slighty more power cooler
lian li case is a good airflow case with plenty of adapabilty that can take a 4090 size gpu and a 360mm aio in roof(also arctic ones with thicker rads)

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core 5.00GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DT-AM) = £359.99
• 1 x TeamGroup Delta RGB 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FF3D532G6000HC30DC01) (SKU: MY-0B8-TG) = £109.99
• 1 x MSI SPATIUM M480 Pro 2TB SSD PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-MSI-00815) = £125.99
• 1 x Lian Li Lancool 216 RGB Mid-tower PC case - Black (SKU: CA-7B8-LL) = £109.99
• 1 x MSI MPG A850G PCIE5 UK PSU 850W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply (SKU: CA-00Y-MS) = £98.99
• 1 x Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-6K0-AS) = £169.99
• 1 x Zotac GeForce RTX 4070 Super Twin Edge 12Gb Graphics Card (SKU: GRA-ZTC-01499) = £548.99
• 1 x DeepCool AG500 ARGB Black CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: HS-015-DC) = £35.99

Total: £1,567.91 (includes delivery: £7.99)​

 

[Craig_d1]

then for more money with same case as you want to keep for a good amount of time with least amount of upgrades
Upgraded psu to 1000W in case 4/5 years down line you want to put a way more powerful gpu in
asus board has pcie5 gpu slot also, so again, 5/6 years down the line if gpus outgrow pcie4, then that's covered
put a 4080super in...this is 38% faster than the 4070s, and has 16gb vram also, so is getting into realm of true 4k gaming
next step up would be a 4090, just add another £600 to the price
I put the arctic freezer3 in not because it's needed, but just higher end build and it comes with a 6year warranty so if you upgrade the cpu 3 years down the line to something more powerful, this will easily handle it, but otherwise just stick with an air cooler for less money

both setup use the delta 6000C30 ram. It's not expo though..if you want expo, then I'd suggest the corsair vengeance rgb 6000C36 expo which can be had for exactly the same price, but not from Ocuk, so you'll have to search...the 6000C30 is £129 I think




My basket at OcUK:[/b]

• 1 x MSI MPG A1000G PCIE5 UK PSU 1000W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (SKU: CA-00W-MS) = £139.99
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core 5.00GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DT-AM) = £359.99
• 1 x Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-6JX-AS) = £229.99
• 1 x TeamGroup Delta RGB 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FF3D532G6000HC30DC01) (SKU: MY-0B8-TG) = £109.99
• 1 x MSI SPATIUM M480 Pro 2TB SSD PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-MSI-00815) = £125.99
• 1 x Arctic Liquid Freezer III ARGB High Performance CPU Water Cooler - 420mm (SKU: COO-ARC-01995) = £95.99
• 1 x Gainward GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER Panther OC 16GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics (SKU: GRA-GNW-01539) = £949.99
• 1 x Lian Li Lancool 216 RGB Mid-tower PC case - Black (SKU: CA-7B8-LL) = £109.99

Total: £2,129.92 (includes delivery: £7.99)​

 

[Craig_d1]

save some more money and drop to a 7600 and a 7800xt, and also put a cheaper case in, which would do for above too, except it wont fit the ticker rad of the arctic aio
still faster than a 6800 though...for comparable that would be more like a 7700xt

AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT Specs

AMD Navi 32, 2430 MHz, 3840 Cores, 240 TMUs, 96 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 2438 MHz, 256 bit

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at OcUK:[/b]

• 1 x TeamGroup Delta RGB 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FF3D532G6000HC30DC01) (SKU: MY-0B8-TG) = £109.99
• 1 x MSI SPATIUM M480 Pro 2TB SSD PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-MSI-00815) = £125.99
• 1 x MSI MPG A850G PCIE5 UK PSU 850W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply (SKU: CA-00Y-MS) = £98.99
• 1 x Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-6K0-AS) = £169.99
• 1 x DeepCool AG500 ARGB Black CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: HS-015-DC) = £35.99
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 7600 Six Core 5.10GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DW-AM) = £182.99
• 1 x SAPPHIRE PULSE AMD Radeon™ RX 7800 XT Gaming Graphics Card with 16GB GDDR6, AMD RDNA™ 3 architecture (SKU: GRA-SPR-00764) = £469.99
• 1 x Phanteks XT Pro Ultra ATX Case Tempered Glass Window, Black (SKU: CAS-PHK-01443) = £66.95

Total: £1,272.86 (includes delivery: £11.98)​

 

[SpaceGoblin]

Oh wow, Thankyou all for replying.

I should have been more clear, it is going to be for gaming. I guess I'm hoping it will be able to play GTA 6 when it comes out. Maybe not in 4k as that's going to cost a lot. I always wanted to play Cyberpunk so I guess that is my benchmark. I will be using an LG Oled 65inch CX as my monitor. I suppose i need to aim for good quality 1080p and then upgrade the card (to 4k) in a couple of years, this is what i meant about having a chip and motherboard that would last a long time. (maybe 5 years not 10). But then again would the 7800x3d be any good in 3 years?

So in a nutshell. I wanted to buy components for PC then in 2/3 years (after saving up) just swap the GPU out for a decent 4k card and have a good PC still. But now i don't think this is a good idea. I will just use one of the bundles above I think, thanks to Craig D1.

Thank you to everyone.

 

[Craig_d1]

I always wanted to play Cyberpunk so I guess that is my benchmark. I will be using an LG Oled 65inch CX as my monitor. I suppose i need to aim for good quality 1080p and then upgrade the card (to 4k) in a couple of years, this is what i meant about having a chip and motherboard that would last a long time. (maybe 5 years not 10). But then again would the 7800x3d be any good in 3 years?

5800x3d releveant now, 7800x3d will be relevant in 3yrs, so yes

Cyberpunk as benchmarck on a lg cX 4k oled...hmm....that's a fairly high bar there

Computex is 4th to 7th June, and AMD s/b making their annoucement about their 9000 series cpu's. I'd be tempted to wait to see that before making any purchase...just to see when they'll be released...below explains it well...each generation jump the lowest cpu beats the previous gen higher cpu...the x3d cpu's are slightly different but that can be very game dependent also...if a ryzen 9600X comes out and follows the same path, hopefully it'll be cheaper than a 7800x3d (though that's already reduced in price so a lot depends on amd pricing), and may be slightly cheaper option on cpu side
think the newer gpu releases are end of year, but mid/lower level will be furthewr down the line, so I wouldn't be waiting for the gpu's, you might be waiting a year

 

[Craig_d1]

if you don't want to wait, and seeing as the games seem to be more single person rather than 1st person shooters where you want it to look good, I'd try max out budget on the gpu now, even at the cost of the cpu (got to remember the 7600 is half the price of the 7800x3d). Swapping out your cpu is a cheaper option that getting a better cpu and swapping out your gpu.

As a guide my con pays on a lg c2 oled using a b550 board/5800x and a 3080, and the below will beat that in all metrics...in ayear or so the 9000 series will prob all be out and after initial rush prob start getting discounted, and you could upgrade your cpu then

anyway, anoyther 4080super build but cheaper than above going with the 7800x3d...not so expensive case, 850w psu, loose the gen5 gpu slot on the strix mobo etc

erclockers.co.uk]OcUK[/url]:[/b]

• 1 x TeamGroup Delta RGB 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C30 6000MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FF3D532G6000HC30DC01) (SKU: MY-0B8-TG) = £109.99
• 1 x MSI SPATIUM M480 Pro 2TB SSD PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-MSI-00815) = £125.99
• 1 x DeepCool AG500 ARGB Black CPU Cooler - 120mm (SKU: HS-015-DC) = £35.99
• 1 x Phanteks XT Pro Ultra ATX Case Tempered Glass Window, Black (SKU: CAS-PHK-01443) = £66.95
• 1 x MSI MPG A850G PCIE5 UK PSU 850W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply (SKU: CA-00Y-MS) = £98.98
• 1 x Asus TUF Gaming B650-Plus WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-6K0-AS) = £170.00
• 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 7600 Six Core 5.10GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DW-AM) = £182.98
• 1 x Gainward GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER Panther OC 16GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics (SKU: GRA-GNW-01539) = £950.00

Total: £1,752.86 (includes delivery: £11.98)​

 

[Tetras]

I will be using an LG Oled 65inch CX as my monitor. I suppose i need to aim for good quality 1080p and then upgrade the card (to 4k) in a couple of years

65 inch at 1080p? I'm no expert on TVs, but I'd imagine that would look terrible?!

But then again would the 7800x3d be any good in 3 years?

Yeah no problem, 7800X3D should easily be a match for an upgrade in 3 years.

So in a nutshell. I wanted to buy components for PC then in 2/3 years (after saving up) just swap the GPU out for a decent 4k card and have a good PC still.

It depends on your expectations obviously and I can't speak for unreleased games, but the 6800 in your original spec is capable of playing at 4K, even with a relatively demanding game like Cyberpunk.

Would I rely on the 6800 to play at 4K into the near future? No, I wouldn't, but since they're available well under £400 they're not bad value for 4K in most current/older games over the next 1-3 years.

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The 7900 GRE would be even better, while the 4080 Super recommended above is another decent step up and I'd expect to last a year or two longer @ 4K than the other options, especially if you want to play with ray tracing.

 

[SpaceGoblin]

I cant believe its been nearly a year since I first asked my question. I wasn't able to purchase anything during this time as real life got in the way. But hopefully now I'm back in a position to build my long awaited PC.

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Eight Core 5.20GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: PRO-AMD-03517) = £479.99
• 1 x Asus ROG STRIX X870-A GAMING WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MOT-ASU-03087) = £359.99
• 1 x Super Flower LEADEX III GOLD UP 1000W 80 PLUS Gold Power Supply PCIe 5.1 ATX 3.1 (SKU: POW-SFL-04172) = £149.98
• 1 x UK Mains Plug with 13A Fuse to IEC C13 Socket Lead, 10A, 2m (SKU: ACC-OCS-01709) = £0.00

Total: £997.96 (includes delivery: £7.99)​

I've managed to save a bit more so i have a budget of about £2500. Ive opted for the 9800x3d so hopefully it will last a long time. I believe that with this chip I need a better Motherboard so I chose the x870. Regarding Graphics I think i'll get the 5080 when stock allows. this will give me a little time to save up for it and in the mean time i will just use the intergrated graphics. 1000 watt of power for the demands of everything.

There seems to be a lot of choice with motherboard though, a lot of letters after the x870 which im not sure what they mean?

With ram, i see speeds of 6000 but it looks like the board needs overclocking to achieve this. Have i got this right?

Many thanks

 

[Tetras]

With ram, i see speeds of 6000 but it looks like the board needs overclocking to achieve this. Have i got this right?

It is actually the cpu's memory controller, but I'd guess like.. 90% of CPUs can hit those speeds and it is what AMD suggested as optimal for the 7000 series.

There seems to be a lot of choice with motherboard though, a lot of letters after the x870 which im not sure what they mean?

I believe that with this chip I need a better Motherboard so I chose the x870.

It doesn't. The 9800X3D can run on pretty much anything except for maybe the very cheapest boards that don't even have a heatsink.

X870 is like B650E, but with USB4. This gives it PCI-E 5.0 graphics.
B850 can have either PCI-E 5.0 or 4.0 graphics, but most of them have 5.0. It MUST have at least one PCI-E 5.0 M.2 slot.

X870E has a second chipset, which gives it the ability to add more connectivity to the board, whereas X870 only has the one.

My opinion is that there's no need to pay £350 for the motherboard. A decent B850 board (if you don't care about USB4, but want PCI-E 5.0 graphics) is fine, or one of the entry-level X870 boards (if you do want USB4). I'd be happy to go with B650/X670E too, if there's a good deal (this also helps avoid the lane sharing issues caused by USB4), but these might need a BIOS flash for a 9000 CPU.

Regarding Graphics I think i'll get the 5080 when stock allows. this will give me a little time to save up for it and in the mean time i will just use the intergrated graphics.

Keep in mind that the integrated graphics are really not meant to play games on these CPUs. You can do it, but they're very poorly performing with anything recent.

I'd recommend you check out the 9070/9070 XT when they release, they should be a nice step on the 6800 you were originally considering and in theory something like half the price of a 5080 (I say in theory, 'cos this market is terrible).

 

[SpaceGoblin]

When I look at the specs of motherboards they list lots of different ram speeds, but anything over 5000 (ish) has OC after? I thought this meant something had to be overclocked to reach this speed. So if i put some 6200 speed ram in, it will achieve this speed out the box?

I really don't think i will need usb 4 so I will look at a cheaper motherboard.

i know the graphics will be insufficient for most games but I'll happily survive with some old games for a little while.

The 9070xt does look like a good card for half the price.

Thank you for the reply and info.

 

[Tetras]

When I look at the specs of motherboards they list lots of different ram speeds, but anything over 5000 (ish) has OC after? I thought this meant something had to be overclocked to reach this speed. So if i put some 6200 speed ram in, it will achieve this speed out the box?

AMD's official spec for the Ryzen 7000 CPUs is a maximum of 5200 (for 2 sticks) and for Ryzen 9000 CPUs, a maximum of 5600 (for 2 sticks).

They don't specify if that it is regular JEDEC memory instead of gaming (XMP/EXPO) memory, but I'd imagine that's what they mean.

So, if you use memory faster than that, you're overclocking the CPU's memory controller and AMD don't guarantee anything. In other words, if your CPU does not function higher than 5200/5600, so far as AMD are concerned, you're on your own.

In terms of the motherboard: it is not what I'd consider overclocking, since most of these boards can function perfectly fine at the kind of speeds you're going to run an AMD AM5 CPU.

In regards to 6200 specifically, that could be an issue. I'd say 90% of CPUs will run at 6000, but 6200-6400 is into the "maybe, maybe not" territory. If you're happy to do some manual tweaking, 6200 is fine, but I wouldn't assume it will always work with one click.