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ConLake Returns - Golden Sample 8700K's.

I would have been more shocked if he had found no evidence of binning...

Basically this. I would be doubting the competence of any company that didn't do this, you should always send your best product out for review. I doubt Intel are testing each CPU individually for golden ones to send to reviewers as it would be just too time consuming. They are however, most likely identifying a good clocking batch of CPUs during QA testing and setting them aside for reviewers. That would cover why not every CPU is a golden sample, but most are above average, and there are a small number of poor clockers as there is still some variance within batches. I would like to know what the batch number is for the review sample CPUs to see if this is the case.

If Adored wanted something to look in to extend this topic maybe look at if CPUs from batches produced late on in in the CPUs retail cycle still, on average, overclock as well as they did when the first released. As just from my casual observations one these forums I have noticed that sometimes these later batches of CPUs don't seem to clock as well as their predecessors did.
 
If Adored wanted something to look in to extend this topic maybe look at if CPUs from batches produced late on in in the CPUs retail cycle still, on average, overclock as well as they did when the first released. As just from my casual observations one these forums I have noticed that sometimes these later batches of CPUs don't seem to clock as well as their predecessors did.


Would be interesting to know the failure rate of modern chips compared to the older generations as well? Lately there seems to be a number of people posting across various forums about 67/7700's that have turned up their toes. Far more than i remember for older generations?
 
Well first of all where is your data to backup those claims?

Second, 3.9 to 4Ghz was what was commonly achieved by reviewers, so while there is no reason to think AMD didn't send binned samples, perhaps they did, your own number suggest they didn't, do you want to rethink it? your numbers say 67 to 97% reach 3.9 to 4Ghz...

Silicon Lottery, as I already told you in my post.
You would have seen this figures already if it didn't take you so damn long to get on the ryzen train :D
 
Silicon Lottery, as I already told you in my post.
You would have seen this figures already if it didn't take you so damn long to get on the ryzen train :D
Huh? He's surely asking for your evidence that "a ton of reviewers" showed R7 1700s hitting 4.0 GHz "easy". First 5 launch day reviews I found:
  • The Tech Report: 3.9 GHz
  • Tom's Hardware: 3.9 GHz (specifically mentions not being able to hit 4 GHz)
  • Guru3D: 4.0 GHz (their 1800X benched at 4.1 GHz)
  • TechRadar: - (only tested 1800X and couldn't get it beyond 4.0 GHz)
  • Digital Trends: 3.85 GHz (at 1.35 V; I don't think they tried really pushing the volts)
So only one even got to 4.0 GHz and I'm pretty sure they didn't claim it was "easy". Can you find some that actually support your claim?

P.S. I specifically looked for Anandtech's review since I actually read some of their stuff sometimes, and it looks like they didn't even bother overclocking at all.
 
Huh? He's surely asking for your evidence that "a ton of reviewers" showed R7 1700s hitting 4.0 GHz "easy". First 5 launch day reviews I found:
  • The Tech Report: 3.9 GHz
  • Tom's Hardware: 3.9 GHz (specifically mentions not being able to hit 4 GHz)
  • Guru3D: 4.0 GHz (their 1800X benched at 4.1 GHz)
  • TechRadar: - (only tested 1800X and couldn't get it beyond 4.0 GHz)
  • Digital Trends: 3.85 GHz (at 1.35 V; I don't think they tried really pushing the volts)
So only one even got to 4.0 GHz and I'm pretty sure they didn't claim it was "easy". Can you find some that actually support your claim?

P.S. I specifically looked for Anandtech's review since I actually read some of their stuff sometimes, and it looks like they didn't even bother overclocking at all.

On mobile atm but I seem to remember Linus and hardware unboxed among others. Don't remember them too well tbh but I distinctly remember thinking that mine was a dud compared to what the reviewers had been hitting.
 
Huh? He's surely asking for your evidence that "a ton of reviewers" showed R7 1700s hitting 4.0 GHz "easy". First 5 launch day reviews I found:
  • The Tech Report: 3.9 GHz
  • Tom's Hardware: 3.9 GHz (specifically mentions not being able to hit 4 GHz)
  • Guru3D: 4.0 GHz (their 1800X benched at 4.1 GHz)
  • TechRadar: - (only tested 1800X and couldn't get it beyond 4.0 GHz)
  • Digital Trends: 3.85 GHz (at 1.35 V; I don't think they tried really pushing the volts)
So only one even got to 4.0 GHz and I'm pretty sure they didn't claim it was "easy". Can you find some that actually support your claim?

P.S. I specifically looked for Anandtech's review since I actually read some of their stuff sometimes, and it looks like they didn't even bother overclocking at all.

@gavinh87

Linus Tech Tips got 4Ghz and couldn't get anymore out of it. https://youtu.be/VFXetkP22lE?t=3m7s
Hardware Unboxed got 4.1 https://youtu.be/mW1pzcdZxKc?t=10m20s

So, according to your numbers 20% can do 4.1Ghz.

Using 7 reviewers:

3 got to 3.9Ghz.
3 got 4Ghz.
1 got 4.1Ghz. That BTW is 16% of the samples.

Again, from that it seems AMD don't send reviewers the best samples.
 
So going on what both you @gavinh87 and others have posted I feel that you may have fell for the hype train when Ryzen was launching rather than actual research.

My memory of ryzen launch was that 4GHz meant you got lucky, there was plenty of talk about how very little ryzen would overclock before it hit the ceiling.
 
To hit 4ghz some reviewers were simply using excessive voltages without being concerned about the long term consequences. I accidentally booted mine at 4.0ghz and once I realised rapidly shut it down. Mine is at 3.7ghz as the voltage is low enough as are the temps for it to work fine longer term. Trying to melt it for an extra 0.2ghz is not worth it for me.
 
I never thought 4ghz was a given with the first gen of ryzen, 3.9 was about it unless your on say a 1800x or something like that.

Its pretty obvious that Intel send good chips to reviewers, the 8700ks are all about the overclock - if they were to be shown to be a bit average then the hype would be much less.
Fortunately for intel while the real consumer chips dont always reach the big numbers shown in reviews they still do well enough to impress folk.

Still as per always dont believe everything you see in reviews.
 
Is it not true that the first batches (crazy limited stock) were just much better bins? I know when it was shipping before the shortage it was more like 60% hitting 5ghz? Can’t watch the vid now if it concurs but seemed like it, I think virtually all the 8Pack bins exceeded 5.0 that also and my retail runs 5.3 from the early batch (delid).

Perhaps deliberately sending the good bins first to create positive vibes around the chip potential, seems like all following batches are much more like a minority hitting the high clocks. Would make sense though as a marketing strategy, can’t complain given it’s not guaranteed to clock a that high technically.
 
Still unsure what your point is Gavin other than that which we already know.

Also kind of ironic the "AMD force" comments are now.

That AMD get the hype up for their launches. They generally have a higher quality of marketing than their competitors. (Although the #poorvolta campaign was a disaster) The ryzen reveal for instance I found was very good.
However idiots like myself get dragged into the hype train and end up feeling quite let down by it once all the noise has calmed down.
 
What amuses me is that such an extensive comparison was needed to refute the absurd claim by Linus.

All review samples from all companies in all industries are cherry picked and tested by the manufacturer before being sent for review. It's common sense.

That would be illegal or whatever term trading standards use.
 
That AMD get the hype up for their launches. They generally have a higher quality of marketing than their competitors. (Although the #poorvolta campaign was a disaster) The ryzen reveal for instance I found was very good.
However idiots like myself get dragged into the hype train and end up feeling quite let down by it once all the noise has calmed down.
But what does that have to do with the video? We already know of your personal experiences with Ryzen but it has little to do with the subject matter.
 
However idiots like myself get dragged into the hype train and end up feeling quite let down by it once all the noise has calmed down

If am brultally honest Gav, I don't think many on here was saying that 4+ was going to be easy/Norm . But don't really remember. I do recall AMD pushing the multi core performance in workstation loads which tbf is good. especially compared to Intel at the time on the given price brackets
 
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