ConLake Returns - Golden Sample 8700K's.

gavinh87 · 30 Mar 2018 at 16:34

pete910 said:
If am brultally honest Gav, I don't think many on here was saying that 4+ was going to be easy/Norm . But don't really remember. I do recall AMD pushing the multi core performance in workstation loads which tbf is good. especially compared to Intel at the time on the given price brackets

I was in the ryzen owners thread pretty much from day 1 and there were many, including amd matt hitting 4.0. Regardless I still believe that intel and AMD are both sending out binned units to reviewers.
With regards to their marketing I think they did a really good job, I got burnt by the single core speed which to be honest was not covered very well in the build up. My own fault yes but ryzen certainly isn't the holy grail that people make it out to be.

jigger · 30 Mar 2018 at 16:38

Looks AMD send binned chip out to retails too....

DarkHorizon472 · 30 Mar 2018 at 16:43

Most were suggesting around 3.8 to 3.9 max for a stable daily use machine depending on the luck of the draw.

Any higher is more of a risk and experiment.

humbug · 30 Mar 2018 at 16:44

jigger said:
Looks AMD send binned chip out to retails too....

pete910 · 30 Mar 2018 at 16:48

I agree, the release was better than expected given their previous GPU PR.

gavinh87 said:
I got burnt by the single core speed which to be honest was not covered very well in the build up

To be fair it was never really pushed either, the multi core perf was stressed a lot.

gavinh87 said:
but ryzen certainly isn't the holy grail that people make it out to be

Holy grail no, But certainly shook the industry up(Intel) somewhat, Am prety sure Intel would have sat on the 8000 till this year. And lets be honest, Intell would have certainly not released a 18 core HEDT part especially at less than their previous 10 part !

jigger · 30 Mar 2018 at 17:02

Six Ryzen 1700's and all of them run 3.8Ghz. I also built three Ryzen 1800X's, two of them are at 4.1Ghz and one at 4Ghz. I've also got a Ryzen 1600 that will do 3.8Ghz.

I could get a little more out of at least half of them, but the clockspeeds was roughly what I was expecting.

Doobedoo · 30 Mar 2018 at 17:05

gavinh87 said:
I was replying to pete lol. At least read the thread.

I read the thread and out of nowhere you started talking about AMD cpu's which is also unrelated to the video and just after someone rightly stated

WARNING He's just here to trash the thread ^^^^ its what he does.

Now your just regurgitating that what you have already made clear on multiple occasions.

Lets be honest about you don't like or watch Adoredtv content yet always seemingly have an opinion of that which by your own admission is not worth your time to watch, your bringing up AMD which has nothing to do with the video and now you are telling us what you've already told us, in that you made a mistake and have over time became bitter over it.

To sum it up you have yet to contribute anything meaningful to this thread and it has or will end up becoming a bickering contest.

jigger · 30 Mar 2018 at 17:18

Doobedoo said:
I read the thread and out of nowhere you started talking about AMD cpu's which is also unrelated to the video and just after someone rightly stated
Now your just regurgitating that what you have already made clear on multiple occasions.

Lets be honest about you don't like or watch Adoredtv content yet always seemingly have an opinion of that which by your own admission is not worth your time to watch, your bringing up AMD which has nothing to do with the video and now you are telling us what you've already told us, in that you made a mistake and have over time became bitter over it.

To sum it up you have yet to contribute anything meaningful to this thread and it has or will end up becoming a bickering contest.

IIRC he also had a lot of trouble overclocking his 8700 so got burned twice

All that's needed for Gavin to become fully hyped is a screenshot from an obscure Chinese forum.

It's probably also worth keeping in mind the Asus AM4 board Gavin bought was very obviously faulty, and Gavin has disadvantages in life.

Doobedoo · 30 Mar 2018 at 17:27

jigger said:
IIRC he also had a lot of trouble overclocking his 8700 so got burned twice All that's needed for Gavin to become fully hyped is a screenshot from an obscure Chinese forum.

It's probably also worth keeping in mind the Asus AM4 board Gavin bought was very obviously faulty, and Gavin has disadvantages in life.

On a positive note it allows others to learn from mistakes of the foolish

Scougar · 30 Mar 2018 at 17:50

gavinh87 said:
Silicon Lottery, as I already told you in my post.
You would have seen this figures already if it didn't take you so damn long to get on the ryzen train

Completely missing the point that these are delidded....

jigger · 30 Mar 2018 at 17:51

I can see why Intel did this as Ryzen just kicks everything Intel has in nuts so hard and people had become well and truly tired of Intel's non existent IPC improvements and clockspeed regression. The whole Coffelake launch was a panic response to AMD and Intel would have been well aware that with Coffelake they would be entering the market with another flawed design and cobbled together platform. People would have been under pressure to make Coffelake look like something new and interesting, but really Cofflake is just more of the same with serious security flaws.

Scougar · 30 Mar 2018 at 17:53

Not really sure on the need to cherry pick ryzen cpu's, the 100mhz increase or so didn't make that much of an impact on performance anyway.

Frankly, I'm just impressed that intel cpu's do so well with crappy thermal paste.

gavinh87 · 30 Mar 2018 at 18:42

jigger said:
IIRC he also had a lot of trouble overclocking his 8700 so got burned twice All that's needed for Gavin to become fully hyped is a screenshot from an obscure Chinese forum.

It's probably also worth keeping in mind the Asus AM4 board Gavin bought was very obviously faulty, and Gavin has disadvantages in life.

I've had zero issues overclocking my 8700k, 5.0 and 5.1 from day 1. Along with 3866 memory.
Not that's it's needed, it spanked the ryzen in every test I ran bar cinebench.

Haha that board is happily running a 1700 as I speak. It's just the ****** IMC that ryzen has.
Please tell me of these disadvantages I have in my life?

jigger · 30 Mar 2018 at 21:54

Scougar said:
Not really sure on the need to cherry pick ryzen cpu's, the 100mhz increase or so didn't make that much of an impact on performance anyway.

Frankly, I'm just impressed that intel cpu's do so well with crappy thermal paste.

Some will hit 4.3Ghz.

Techen · 31 Mar 2018 at 13:58

Title is so clickbait it's amazing. Coffeelake is still outselling ryzen currently with people getting 5.0/5.1 chips out the box is great now the price of a 8700k has dropped to 300 quid. Clearly get what you pay for.

As far as I saw most reviews suggested the coffeelake would do 5ghz and it does.

I for one will be watching these reviews of 4.35ghz chips for the Ryzen with my popcorn. ;p

But this thread is going to invite so many silly comments.

humbug · 31 Mar 2018 at 14:00

Techen said:
Title is so clickbait it's amazing. Coffeelake is still outselling ryzen currently with people getting 5.0/5.1 chips out the box is great now the price of a 8700k has dropped to 300 quid. Clearly get what you pay for.

As far as I saw most reviews suggested the coffeelake would do 5ghz and it does.

I for one will be watching these reviews of 4.35ghz chips for the Ryzen with my popcorn. ;p

But this thread is going to invite so many silly comments.

You've had to void the warranty by deliding yours for 5Ghz tho

Techen · 31 Mar 2018 at 14:01

humbug said:
You've had to void the warranty by deliding yours for 5Ghz tho

Sorry you have to void ryzens warranty to overclock there cpu too as well as Intel. Not a valid point honestly.

humbug · 31 Mar 2018 at 14:05

Techen said:
Sorry you have to void ryzens warranty to overclock there cpu too as well as Intel. Not a valid point honestly.

While overclocking is a technicality in void warranty terms for both Ryzen and Intel its just that, no one has ever been refused warranty for overclocking, unless they say something like "i broke it overclocking it" nor would they ever know its been overclocked.

Taking the CPU apart to replace the cheap crappy paste Intel use to bond the Heat Spreader and then glue it back together, a buffoon can see that when it been done to a CPU.

Techen · 31 Mar 2018 at 14:09

humbug said:
While overclocking is a technicality in void warranty terms for both Ryzen and Intel its just that, no one has ever been refused warranty for overclocking, unless they say something like "i broke it overclocking it" nor would they ever know its been overclocked.

Taking the CPU apart to replace the cheap crappy paste Intel use to bond the Heat Spreader and then glue it back together, a buffoon can see that when it been done to a CPU.

While that's true it still voids warranty and there's no two ways about it honestly. You can slam delidding but at the end of the day both companies are bad for it.

Have a look at the delid gains for the 2200g and 2400g

humbug · 31 Mar 2018 at 14:19

Techen said:
While that's true it still voids warranty and there's no two ways about it honestly. You can slam delidding but at the end of the day both companies are bad for it.

Have a look at the delid gains for the 2200g and 2400g

"You can slam delidding but at the end of the day both companies are bad for it"

What does that mean? only Intel do it, AMD use solder, with this cooler i get under 60c temps overclocked stress testing on a silent fan profile, the last CPU that sat under the same cooler, the 4690K would push past 80c with the fan at full tilt, that's the difference.

Besides all that the point is you have had to Delid your 8700K to get 5Ghz

.......with people getting 5.0/5.1 chips out the box is great now the price of a 8700k has dropped.........

Ironic then that clearly you didn't get one of those, and Intel wouldn't be cutting prices unless their market share is being eroded by competition, which it is.