ConLake Returns - Golden Sample 8700K's.

iakhtar · 31 Mar 2018 at 14:24

Having to delid K series cpus is one of the biggest jokes in the industry

DragonQ · 31 Mar 2018 at 15:04

humbug said:
What does that mean? only Intel do it, AMD use solder

No, AMD do not use solder for their APUs. They have stated that they plan to continue using solder for their CPUs for the time being.

Let's not forget that "using solder" is not the be-all and end-all. I don't care what compound they use as along as it's decent enough that delidding isn't required to tame temperatures.

iakhtar said:
Having to delid K series cpus is one of the biggest jokes in the industry

Agreed.

humbug · 31 Mar 2018 at 15:16

DragonQ said:
No, AMD do not use solder for their APUs. They have stated that they plan to continue using solder for their CPUs for the time being.

Let's not forget that "using solder" is not the be-all and end-all. I don't care what compound they use as along as it's decent enough that delidding isn't required to tame temperatures.
Agreed.

No paste is ever going to be as good as soldering so yes actually i would argue that using solder is the be all and end all, is there anything better?

If you're selling 6 core CPU's for £320 its not unreasonable to solder the Heat Spreader, the temperatures on them is not good and the constant limp pragmatism or outright defensiveness by so called Hardware Enthusiasts of Intel's practices in this is what has emboldened Intel to use the same cheap crappy way to bond the Heat Spreader on all their retail CPU's now, including the HEDT chips from the 7800X to the £2000? 7980E or whatever that silly thing is called.

Keep it up guys eventually it might sink in, when Intel are so far in you you're chewing on it.

gavinh87 · 31 Mar 2018 at 15:22

humbug said:
No paste is ever going to be as good as soldering so yes actually i would argue that using solder is the be all and end all, is there anything better?

If you're selling 6 core CPU's for £320 its not unreasonable to solder the Heat Spreader, the temperatures on them is not good and the constant limp pragmatism or outright defensiveness by so called Hardware Enthusiasts of Intel's practices in this is what has emboldened Intel to use the same cheap crappy way to bond the Heat Spreader on all their retail CPU's now, including the HEDT chips from the 7800X to the £2000? 7980E or whatever that silly thing is called.

Keep it up guys eventually it might sink in, when Intel are so far in you you're chewing on it.

Lol!

humbug · 31 Mar 2018 at 15:28

Did that tickle you Gav?

gavinh87 · 31 Mar 2018 at 17:54

The last sentence did!

DragonQ · 31 Mar 2018 at 21:13

humbug said:
No paste is ever going to be as good as soldering so yes actually i would argue that using solder is the be all and end all, is there anything better?

Note that when people de-lid, they don't solder their heatspreaders on. So yes, there are methods out there that are close to as effective as solder.

humbug said:
If you're selling 6 core CPU's for £320 its not unreasonable to solder the Heat Spreader, the temperatures on them is not good and the constant limp pragmatism or outright defensiveness by so called Hardware Enthusiasts of Intel's practices in this is what has emboldened Intel to use the same cheap crappy way to bond the Heat Spreader on all their retail CPU's now, including the HEDT chips from the 7800X to the £2000? 7980E or whatever that silly thing is called.

It still surprises me that Intel were brazen enough to stop using solder on their HEDT CPUs.

humbug · 31 Mar 2018 at 21:25

DragonQ said:
Note that when people de-lid, they don't solder their heatspreaders on. So yes, there are methods out there that are close to as effective as solder.

It still surprises me that Intel were brazen enough to stop using solder on their HEDT CPUs.

The problem with it is, and this is at least somewhat in defense of Intel from my side of this the TIM Intel use is long life, with that it may not be the most efficient heat conductor but its also not going to turn into a hard powder in 2 or 3 years, unlike most of the off the shelf TIM people deliding replace it with.

The penny pinching stingy ####### should just use solder.

gavinh87 · 31 Mar 2018 at 21:42

humbug said:
The problem with it is, and this is at least somewhat in defense of Intel from my side of this the TIM Intel use is long life, with that it may not be the most efficient heat conductor but its also not going to turn into a hard powder in 2 or 3 years, unlike most of the off the shelf TIM people deliding replace it with.

The penny pinching stingy ####### should just use solder.

They have published a very good paper explaining why they don't use solder. I'm sure cost is another reason but it's not the only reason.

Jumper118 · 31 Mar 2018 at 22:20

gavinh87 said:
They have published a very good paper explaining why they don't use solder. I'm sure cost is another reason but it's not the only reason.

i have published a very good paper to have you renamed to No1IntelFanGirl. Would you like to read it?

gavinh87 · 31 Mar 2018 at 22:35

Jumper118 said:
i have published a very good paper to have you renamed to No1IntelFanGirl. Would you like to read it?

Sure. I like a good laugh.
Last time I had a good laugh was when you were arguing about using crypto in the MM

Jumper118 · 31 Mar 2018 at 22:37

gavinh87 said:
Sure. I like a good laugh.
Last time I had a good laugh was when you were arguing about using crypto in the MM

that was a while ago and that was also me. must be a funny guy

BongoHunter · 31 Mar 2018 at 23:11

Does anyone know if the HCC Xeons are soldered or use TIM?

We've got a boat load of HCC E5's at work that have sat at 90%+ CPU utilisation for years and years, the temperatures do not seem to trend up over that time by any kind of notable amount - so if there's TIM in there it's good stuff as far as TIM goes.

EsaT · 31 Mar 2018 at 23:25

Hotwired said:
My memory of ryzen launch was that 4GHz meant you got lucky, there was plenty of talk about how very little ryzen would overclock before it hit the ceiling.

Every even semi-competent reviewer said that.
In fact it was known long before release that Ryzen wouldn't be breaking clock speed records:
Because GloFo's manufacturing process being optimized for low power devices instead of high performance.

Original clock speed expectations/speculations were actually at 3½ GHz level!
So release product clocks were over that, but it was also instantly established that because of manufacturing process there's very little extra room for overlocking.

z10m · 11 Apr 2018 at 08:32

Finally proper no ******** and no speculation testing of retail 8700K.
Tomorrow part 2 that will answer the question.

humbug · 11 Apr 2018 at 13:00

z10m said:
Finally proper no ******** and no speculation testing of retail 8700K.
Tomorrow part 2 that will answer the question.

I don't know why that would need to be gone over again, with 10 samples, when the fact has already been established using 1000's of samples.

z10m · 11 Apr 2018 at 13:05

humbug said:
I don't know why that would need to be gone over again, with 10 samples, when the fact has already been established using 1000's of samples.

No testing has been done just speculation.

beany_bot · 11 Apr 2018 at 13:06

z10m said:
No testing has been done just speculation.

Did you watch the video? Silicone lottery literally TEST everyone of the CPU's after delidding. Ergo 1000's of TESTED samples.

humbug · 11 Apr 2018 at 13:09

z10m said:
No testing has been done just speculation.

Actually the data comes from thousands of CPU's tested for binning.

You really need to watch the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl0we6-ZiQY

z10m · 11 Apr 2018 at 13:27

Believe it or not but yes I have watched the whole video.
Silicone Lottery is a retailer and will say anything to sell their stuff.