Soldato
Before I go reading all 6 pages, can someone just say if its turned into a 9/11 arguement or not?
Conspiracy theories...
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Of course it did, same old arguments and same old rubbish. But if you want something good check my links on page 1 to the BBC Newsnight story on Robert Kennedys assasination.
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Those videos are really good, but as I said before, even if something totally legitimate and credible comes along it will be blanked out and ignored intentionally.
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I refuse to believe that the american government could be so daring, so co-ordinated and so malignant to be able to carry out the september 11th attacks.
I'm sorry, but your talking about the government that got caught deleting white house emails and has a monkey for a president. No way in hell.
I'm sorry, but your talking about the government that got caught deleting white house emails and has a monkey for a president. No way in hell.
Oh your back.
You never answered my questions about why the government would hide a face on mars.
instead you asked if I believed in UFo's visiting us then ignored...
And now you expect me to accept Michael C. Ruppert [ the founder and editor of From The Wilderness, a newsletter and website dedicated to investigating political cover-ups], a writers, word on economics as fact. You see if you had come to me with a few people with good economic degrees and of good standing in the banking community I may take it seriously.
Just like I will only take a structural analysis seriously from a structural engineer, as opposed to Jeremy clarkson.
You never answered my questions about why the government would hide a face on mars.
why would they bother to?
Then how do you get the Russians, Chinese and Europeans + the independent scientific groups to cover it too, so we have what minimum 2 hundred thousand people ( probably far more ) + a bunch of photo shoppers you have to keep shtum?
instead you asked if I believed in UFo's visiting us then ignored...
And now you expect me to accept Michael C. Ruppert [ the founder and editor of From The Wilderness, a newsletter and website dedicated to investigating political cover-ups], a writers, word on economics as fact. You see if you had come to me with a few people with good economic degrees and of good standing in the banking community I may take it seriously.
Just like I will only take a structural analysis seriously from a structural engineer, as opposed to Jeremy clarkson.
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The question you have to ask your self is "who is controlling the monkey?"
The question you have to ask your self is who's controlling the controllers?
Who's controlling the controllers controller.
Who's controlling the monkey controllers, controller controller?
Eh?
what you got to ask is who's spoon feeding you?
You complain that we believe what we are fed. But most of us look at both sides of the arguments before deciding. Where people like you (conspiracy nuts) look at one side, ignore the other, ignore common sense, ignore people who are actually qualified in favour of people who have seen a few pictures and are now experts.
So who is beliving what is fed to them?
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Considering what i believe in, I've gone out and found it, rather then turned on BBC1 and been fed my daily scaremongering.
You've on out and found proof of the US government being controlled?
This proof conclusive?
Can i have it? I fancy being rich.
But so have we, but we then cross referenced it with logic, evidence and qualified people and then discredited what you believe for nothing more than rubbish. Made of at best half truths and lots of miss guiding.
If you think we have simply watch the news and came to a conclusion you are hugely mistaken.
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http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07
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Well actually regardless of what anyone posted in this thread, it wouldn't change my mind. And I'm not going to argue.
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But to change the topic slightly, there is a rather interesting development coming to light. Personally i don't believe it, but its interesting none the less.
One Evan can get his teeth into.
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Benazir Bhutto, the then Prime Minister of Pakistan, had consistently denied any role of the Pakistani government in Korea’s nuclear ambitions. But now, it has come to light that a CD containing vital nuclear data was carried by her personally to be handed over to her Korean counterpart as part of a secret deal!
As she was due to visit North Korea at the end of 1993, she was asked and readily agreed to carry critical nuclear data on her person and hand it over on arrival in Pyongyang…..The gist of what she told me was that before leaving Islamabad she shopped for an overcoat with the deepest possible pockets into which she transferred CDs containing the scientific data about uranium which the North Korean wanted.
Pakistan’s Strategic Imperative
Kashmir has been a bone of contention between India and Pakistan since the last 60 years and four wars have been fought by Pakistan in its unsuccessful bid to wrest it from India by force. Conventionally, they could never hope to match the Indian war machine. The biggest force leveler would be a viable nuclear deterrent against conventional force asymmetry. With a nuclear deterrent, an incursion into Kashmir would prevent an all out assault by India’s huge military juggernaut against Pakistan which lacked strategic depth.
Thus commenced a covert nuclear program and by the early 1990s Pakistan had acquired the capability to build nuclear weapons using highly enriched uranium cores. But it lacked the delivery systems. American made F-16s were not a viable option and missiles armed with nuclear warheads were a system of choice as they are not as vulnerable to air defense systems as are aircraft, and are also more cost effective.
But Pakistan did not possess the wherewithal to build a delivery system consisting of long range missiles which it was desperate to acquire, whatever the cost.
Pakistan’s Quest For Missile Delivery Systems
Since the Chinese were reluctant to provide Pakistan with the ‘M’ series of longer range missiles due to American pressure, Pakistan turned to North Korea to view their Nodong prototype. In 1995, the missile deal was consummated and in April 1998, Pakistan test fired the Nodong which was re-christened as Ghauri.
Evidence for the missile-for-uranium enrichment technology trade probably emerged sometime in 1999. But when U.S. officials raised the subject with the Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, he denied any knowledge of it.
Why did the U.S follow a policy of appeasement where Pakistan was concerned? The answer is simple: Pakistan is an ally in the so called war against terror. With its contiguous borders with Afghanistan, Al Qaeda and the Taliban could use this ‘no man’s land’ as launch pads against NATO Forces under the U.S, and thus it was imperative that nothing short of a policy of appeasement could assure the advancement of American strategy in Afghanistan and to a lesser extent Iraq, by keeping the command and control set up of the militants in disarray.
For example, In late July last year, the Institute for Science and International Security issued a report revealing that Pakistan was building a heavy-water reactor capable of producing enough plutonium for 40 to 50 nuclear weapons a year. The Surprising response from Frederick Jones, a spokesman for the National Security Council, was astonishingly mild: “The reactor is expected to be substantially smaller and less capable than reported.”!
Double standards and double speak is nothing new and are the hallmarks of the present dispensation in Washington. No one batted an eye lid when on September 6th last, Pakistan’s military dictatorship announced a peace treaty with militants in North Waziristan, al-Qaeda’s center of gravity. Vice President Cheney’s response was unabashed praise of President Pervez Musharraf as “a man who has demonstrated great courage under very difficult political circumstances and has been a great ally for the United States.”
Concerns about Pakistan’s nuclear links with North Korea go back to 1999 when proliferation analysts began to speculate about North Korea’s likely gains from the Nodong ballistic missile sales to Pakistan. Senior U.S. officials who were briefed on Pakistan’s nuclear cooperation with North Korea raised the issue at the highest levels of the Pakistani government. In Jun 2001, U.S. deputy secretary of state Richard Armitage drew attention to the role of retired Pakistani nuclear scientists in North Korea’s nuclear program. However, his public warnings weren’t paid heed to.
Then came the bomb shell in the form of a U.S. government source leak to the New York Times in Oct 2002 that Pakistan was the likely source of North Korea’s gas centrifuge uranium enrichment program.
The nuclear-for-missile barter trade between Islamabad and Pyongyang probably began in 1997 and continued at least until Jul 2002. During this period, Pakistan’s cooperation with North Korea involved the exchange of nuclear personnel, the sharing of technical knowledge, design information on gas centrifuges, machinery and possibly nuclear material.
This was confirmed tacitly by the then Secretary of State, Collin Powell, when replying to a question whether such cooperation had taken place in the past said, “ We didn’t talk about the past and I don’t want to get into who might have done what, when and at what point in history.”
The conspiracy: The Smoking Gun
U.S. intelligence officials claim that Pakistan was a key supplier of uranium enrichment technology to North Korea, and suggested that Pakistan had exchanged centrifuge enrichment technology for North Korean help in developing long range missiles, by transfer of vital technology and assembling missiles from semi knocked down kits surreptitiously transported from Korea, ironically in American made C-130 Hercules transport aircraft!
U.S. official statements leave little doubt that cooperation occurred, but there
are significant details missing on the scope of cooperation and the role of Pakistan’s
government. Further, both North Korea and Pakistan have denied that nuclear
technology was provided to North Korea.
Benazir Bhutto once played an active role in furthering Pakistan’s clandestine nuclear programme by personally taking CDs to and from North Korea on an official trip as Prime Minister, reveals a book by her Oxford college mate and journalist Shyam Bhatia who subsequently kept in regular touch with her.
It was in the 90’s that North Korea offered to provide long range missiles to Pakistan to offset the imbalance with India’s integrated guided missile development program then led by A. P. J. Abdul Kalam.
By 1993, Pakistan was under the spotlight as never before [on bartering enrichment technology for missiles], with Russia, India and western secret services monitoring every nuance of Pakistan’s military research.
As she was due to visit North Korea at the end of 1993, she was asked and readily agreed to carry critical nuclear data on her person and hand it over on arrival in Pyongyang…..The gist of what she told me was that before leaving Islamabad she shopped for an overcoat with the deepest possible pockets into which she transferred CDs containing the scientific data about uranium which the North Korean wanted.
Pakistani contacts later explained that Benazir returned with more than just CDs. The delighted North Koreans who had already sold missile technology to Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen insisted she carry back the disassembled parts of an entire missile so that Pakistani scientists could study it part by part.
Sources:
http://www.hindu.com/2008/05/11/stories/2008051159811100.htm
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2831/
http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/npr/vol09/93/93kamp.pdf
http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/pakistan-gets-a-new-nuke-missle-to-use-on-india/
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/North_Korea_Could_Make_Nuclear_Warhead_For_Missile_Delivery_999.html
http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cach...ion&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=in&client=firefox-a
because you already know the evidence is stacked against you. Yet for some reason you still can't bring yourself to admit it.
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Not really, i see a lot of official sources stating a lot of bull. But, since you seem to be wanting to get the last word in, kind of like some childish argument, then be my guest
Not really, i see a lot of official sources stating a lot of bull. But, since you seem to be wanting to get the last word in, kind of like some childish argument, then be my guest
No I just can't believe you aren't willing to discuss it and post any "evidence". If your so sure of this evidence let us see it and when questioned you turn it into an attack.
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Caporegime
Can we stop this pointless thread now? It's going round in circles.
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I've already stated many times that I'm not here to change or prove my belief, I'm here to give an opinion, if i wanted to prove my opinion then i would, but i don't have to, there for i wont.
Besides, I've already changed the topic onto another CT. Why don't you read what i posted and come back to me with your "Official" reply?