Yeah I actually found that hypothetical scenario an interesting read. If all those things are true (Malaysia politics, him being pseudo grounded then called back into service due to a shortage etc) then it's definitely pretty mind blowing.
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Or.. or.. he could have jumped off a bridge and not taken out 250 people. .
Well yes, but that hardly maximises attention or brings shame and disrepute to Malaysia Airlines and the Malaysian government.
I wouldn't be surprised if this causes the collapse of Malaysian Airlines. Their finances and reputation must have taken a serious battering.
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Not sure a pilot who turns suicidal and into a mass murderer does either but hey..
Perhaps not, but if he's been suffering from depression then he won't exactly be thinking in the most logical manner about such things.
Will be a shame if that turns out to be true, but it's the most credible theory I've heard so far as to why the plane wreckage would be where it is, if indeed it is ever found around there.
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If the story is true then I'm sure a quick search of the Captain's internet browsing history will reveal it.
I'm flying to KL with Malaysian in 2 weeks, hope they stay in business long enough
I would be more worried about getting to your destination tbh.....
I don't think that's right, many were there and seemed to have been told in person, it's the ones still in china that seemed to have been txt and in English.
Either way disgusting.
Should have told relatives, before even announcing press conference, then there would have been no time restraints, which seems to be the excuse of why they sent txt messages.
Found this theory on the net.
A lot of speculation about MH370. Terrorism, hijack, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN – almost disturbing. I tend to look for a more simple explanation of this event.
Loaded 777 departs midnight from Kuala to Beijing. Hot night. Heavy aircraft. About an hour out across the gulf towards Vietnam the plane goes dark meaning the transponder goes off and secondary radar tracking goes off.
Two days later we hear of reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar meaning the plane is being tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the straits of Malacca.
When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and I searched for airports in proximity to the track towards southwest.
The left turn is the key here. This was a very experienced senior Captain with 18,000 hours. Maybe some of the younger pilots interviewed on CNN didn’t pick up on this left turn. We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don’t want to be thinking what are you going to do – you already know what you are going to do. Instinctively when I saw that left turn with a direct heading I knew he was heading for an airport. Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi a 13,000 foot strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000 foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance.
Take a look on Google Earth at this airport. This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport.
For me the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense if a fire. There was most likely a fire or electrical fire. In the case of fire the first response if to pull all the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one.
If they pulled the busses the plane indeed would go silent. It was probably a serious event and they simply were occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, Navigate and lastly communicate. There are two types of fires. Electrical might not be as fast and furious and there might or might not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility given the timeline that perhaps there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires and it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes this happens with underinflated tires. Remember heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. A tire fire once going would produce horrific incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks but this is a no no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter but this will only last for a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one of my own in a flight bag and I still carry one in my briefcase today when I fly).
What I think happened is that they were overcome by smoke and the plane just continued on the heading probably on George (autopilot) until either fuel exhaustion or fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. I said four days ago you will find it along that route – looking elsewhere was pointless.
This pilot, as I say, was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. No doubt in my mind. That’s the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijack would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It would probably have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided on where they were taking it.
Surprisingly none of the reporters , officials, other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot’s viewpoint. If something went wrong where would he go? Thanks to Google earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times. I guess we will eventually find out when you help me spread this theory on the net and some reporters finally take a look on Google earth and put 2 and 2 together. Also a look at the age and number of cycles on those nose tires might give us a good clue too.
Fire in an aircraft demands one thing – you get the machine on the ground as soon as possible. There are two well remembered experiences in my memory. The AirCanada DC9 which landed I believe in Columbus Ohio in the eighties. That pilot delayed descent and bypassed several airports. He didn’t instinctively know the closest airports. He got it on the ground eventually but lost 30 odd souls. In the 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots. They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire simply overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. Just ran out of time. That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what the transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.
Get on Google Earth and type in Pulau Langkawi and then look at it in relation to the radar track heading. 2+2=4 That for me is the simple explanation why it turned and headed in that direction.
Smart pilot. Just didn’t have the time.
A lot of speculation about MH370. Terrorism, hijack, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN – almost disturbing. I tend to look for a more simple explanation of this event.
Loaded 777 departs midnight from Kuala to Beijing. Hot night. Heavy aircraft. About an hour out across the gulf towards Vietnam the plane goes dark meaning the transponder goes off and secondary radar tracking goes off.
Two days later we hear of reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar meaning the plane is being tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the straits of Malacca.
When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and I searched for airports in proximity to the track towards southwest.
The left turn is the key here. This was a very experienced senior Captain with 18,000 hours. Maybe some of the younger pilots interviewed on CNN didn’t pick up on this left turn. We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don’t want to be thinking what are you going to do – you already know what you are going to do. Instinctively when I saw that left turn with a direct heading I knew he was heading for an airport. Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi a 13,000 foot strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000 foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance.
Take a look on Google Earth at this airport. This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport.
For me the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense if a fire. There was most likely a fire or electrical fire. In the case of fire the first response if to pull all the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one.
If they pulled the busses the plane indeed would go silent. It was probably a serious event and they simply were occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, Navigate and lastly communicate. There are two types of fires. Electrical might not be as fast and furious and there might or might not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility given the timeline that perhaps there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires and it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes this happens with underinflated tires. Remember heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. A tire fire once going would produce horrific incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks but this is a no no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter but this will only last for a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one of my own in a flight bag and I still carry one in my briefcase today when I fly).
What I think happened is that they were overcome by smoke and the plane just continued on the heading probably on George (autopilot) until either fuel exhaustion or fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. I said four days ago you will find it along that route – looking elsewhere was pointless.
This pilot, as I say, was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. No doubt in my mind. That’s the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijack would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It would probably have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided on where they were taking it.
Surprisingly none of the reporters , officials, other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot’s viewpoint. If something went wrong where would he go? Thanks to Google earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times. I guess we will eventually find out when you help me spread this theory on the net and some reporters finally take a look on Google earth and put 2 and 2 together. Also a look at the age and number of cycles on those nose tires might give us a good clue too.
Fire in an aircraft demands one thing – you get the machine on the ground as soon as possible. There are two well remembered experiences in my memory. The AirCanada DC9 which landed I believe in Columbus Ohio in the eighties. That pilot delayed descent and bypassed several airports. He didn’t instinctively know the closest airports. He got it on the ground eventually but lost 30 odd souls. In the 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots. They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire simply overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. Just ran out of time. That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what the transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.
Get on Google Earth and type in Pulau Langkawi and then look at it in relation to the radar track heading. 2+2=4 That for me is the simple explanation why it turned and headed in that direction.
Smart pilot. Just didn’t have the time.
I hadn't either. I suppose its got some credibility
It's been posted several times and debunked several times... 
It worked until it was shown that the plane took several course changes after aiming at the airport before finally doing a 90 degree turn and flying to the south atlantic.
It worked until it was shown that the plane took several course changes after aiming at the airport before finally doing a 90 degree turn and flying to the south atlantic.
It's been posted several times and debunked several times...
It worked until it was shown that the plane took several course changes after aiming at the airport before finally doing a 90 degree turn and flying to the south atlantic.
Yes, sARCASm detection failure was disabled.
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Seems plausible. More so than the alien theories anyway.
The 777 only has main wheel fire detection and not nose wheel. A nose wheel fire is very rare.
Loosing all communications due to a fire would have to be so catastrophic that the plane would have been coming down in bits. Even with a full electrical failure the crew could deploy the RAT (Ram air turbine) and have basic radio functions and electrical power to essential systems.
There are two transponders on a 777 although they are not much use in the middle of the ocean both are fed from different bus bars. There is also UHF/VHF and HF comm's as well as sat phone and data link comm's. There is also an emergency radio connected direct to the A/C battery supply on the emergency DC bus bar. For all of these to go down was either intentional or catastrophic failure.
The nose wheel does not take a lot of the aircraft weight most is on the mains especially on landing and take off.
A fire in a wheel bay would need to break through the pressurised bulkheads to enter the cabin there is no access to either the nose or main wheel bay's from inside the cabin.
The Trent 800 engines in this 777 have a data link direct to Rolls Royce in the UK which sends critical data for monitoring. This is updated at frequent intervals during the flight of each aircraft. Also transmitted is a GPS location signal.
The location of the Aircraft will be known within a zone and that is what is being searched. The system was developed by RR to pre empt engine problems and predict a more accurate servicing schedule for the aircraft.
Just my 2p worth more than likely said before....
Loosing all communications due to a fire would have to be so catastrophic that the plane would have been coming down in bits. Even with a full electrical failure the crew could deploy the RAT (Ram air turbine) and have basic radio functions and electrical power to essential systems.
There are two transponders on a 777 although they are not much use in the middle of the ocean both are fed from different bus bars. There is also UHF/VHF and HF comm's as well as sat phone and data link comm's. There is also an emergency radio connected direct to the A/C battery supply on the emergency DC bus bar. For all of these to go down was either intentional or catastrophic failure.
The nose wheel does not take a lot of the aircraft weight most is on the mains especially on landing and take off.
A fire in a wheel bay would need to break through the pressurised bulkheads to enter the cabin there is no access to either the nose or main wheel bay's from inside the cabin.
The Trent 800 engines in this 777 have a data link direct to Rolls Royce in the UK which sends critical data for monitoring. This is updated at frequent intervals during the flight of each aircraft. Also transmitted is a GPS location signal.
The location of the Aircraft will be known within a zone and that is what is being searched. The system was developed by RR to pre empt engine problems and predict a more accurate servicing schedule for the aircraft.
Just my 2p worth more than likely said before....
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