'Contact lost' with Malaysia Airlines plane


It had enough fuel load to enable it to fly some 3000 miles, which the Jewish controlled media still conveniently fails to mention in any of its reports on this flight.
It was scheduled to fly ~2750 miles, a fact which pretty much every report on it mentions repeatedly.

This guy is a loon or a troll.

This is because I am forced to work with only cyber cafe computers because mine got permanently bios hacked.



Eh?


That whole thing is full of lies and ludicrousness. I'm going to read it again for my amusement.
 
Isn't it obvious?

Banning lithium batteries in the cargo hold isn't going to yield much benefit if loads of lithium batteries are being used in the cabin.

I would have thought that pallets full of lithium batteries are somewhat more problematic than individual batteries in peoples pockets.
 
Isn't it obvious?

Banning lithium batteries in the cargo hold isn't going to yield much benefit if loads of lithium batteries are being used in the cabin.

A single L-ion battery (or battery pack) is bad to deal with, but can be dealt with, and will likely be noticed before it gets much past the smouldering stage if in the passenger cabin (the airlines have fire extinguishers in the cabin area, and have dealt with such a situation several times in the past).

A couple of dozen, or more likely couple of hundred in the cargo hold can go well past the smouldering stage before the alarm system pick up, and rapidly reach the point where the aircraft's fire suppression system simply cannot cope (IIRC testing has shown that it can be catastrophic despite the halon systems in place on passenger aircraft).
Also the batteries in the passenger cabin are not going to be anything like close enough that a single faulty one can rapidly create a chain reaction triggering others to go off (that is the real worry with them in cargo).

Also lithium batteries actually in devices are typically very well protected by the design of the device from external damage, you can't guarantee that with stuff packed as cargo for shipping where every gram of weight and mm can increase the costs for the company transporting them*.


Remember Boeing recently had to ground it's latest aircraft whilst it redesigned their L-ion battery setups to improve the level of monitoring and protection to each cell, and those were batteries that had been designed and previously certified for aircraft use (so the QC in manufacturing will have been far higher than in almost any other l-ion battery, let alone cheap third party batteries to replace those in your camera/phone etc).



*A kickstarter I'm backing is for a DVD set and the guy running it is talking about the difference in weight for various DVD & Blu-ray cases, as saving a fraction of an ounce on each case can mean the difference between being under a pound in weight and getting one rate in shipping (thus allowing more money to be spent on other things), and paying a lot more in shipping, the same is true for a lot of things, if you can shave off a few grams, and a fraction of a mm in the packaging you can potentially ship another 50 on a pallet for the same price.
A lot of people will often skimp on the packaging to save pennies/time either not realising the risks in doing so with some things, or not caring about it (a few years back an incorrectly labelled and poorly packaged bunch of oxygen generating canisters for an airline caused a crash when they got damaged in transit and caused a fire)
 
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I would have thought that pallets full of lithium batteries are somewhat more problematic than individual batteries in peoples pockets.

Very much.

It's sort of the reason most people are limited in how much fuel they can store at home, and in what containers, and why the likes of fireworks storage for retailers (and professional displays) is usually quite a bit stricter than the recommendations for home storage of your pack of twenty.
 
A single L-ion battery (or battery pack) is bad to deal with, but can be dealt with, and will likely be noticed before it gets much past the smouldering stage if in the passenger cabin (the airlines have fire extinguishers in the cabin area, and have dealt with such a situation several times in the past).

Lithium battery fires in laptops don't normally extinguish with a fire extinguisher and there have been numerous incidents with laptop fires in the past, they are a great hazard.

Banning them in the cargo hold only is a half-measure.

Pressurising the cargo hold seems like bad design anyway, if there was no oxygen a fire would never start.
 
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You should see the 2000 degree laptop fires, deadly!

You've got a chance to put that laptop fire out, or at least limit how much additional stuff is going to go up....

If it's in the cargohold and you've got several hundred Li-ion batteries next to that faulty laptop you're probably not going to know about it until it's far too late to try and separate it from them.
 
It was scheduled to fly ~2750 miles, a fact which pretty much every report on it mentions repeatedly.

This guy is a loon or a troll.





Eh?


That whole thing is full of lies and ludicrousness. I'm going to read it again for my amusement.

He's a loon. He's quoting "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" in one of his previous articles...from 2008 when he says Ireland has become enslaved to the Jews (IMF and EU)
 
I take it we can expect an increase in the cost of portable electronics such as mobiles etc. due to this? Or are they usually stuck on a boat?

Probably not, to air-freight stuff is extortionately expensive (by comparison to by sea) so imagine most stuff will come by boat :)
 
Are they not starting this towed pinger thing a bit late? Surely the battery on the black box will be dead in a matter of days?

I realise they only recently narrowed the search area down, but couldn't they have had the things in the water from the moment the ships arrived?
 
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