Cordless Power Tools!?

danlightbulb said:
what tools are cheap?

The Ryobi One + brushless drill set with 2x 2AH batteries is £130: https://www.diy.com/departments/ryo...-combi-drill-r18pd5-220s/4892210160805_BQ.prd

The Dewalt DCD796 with 2x2AH batteries is £139: https://www.powertoolworld.co.uk/de...SRafPcmkxoFMXF9uVoinTMPtg6NQlNtoaAqtYEALw_wcB


Id be interested in Ryobi if it was half the price of Dewalt /Makita but its not?
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Ryobi strimmer £43 - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ryobi-OLT1832-Cordless-Trimmer-Cutting/dp/B01NB0C831/ref=sr_1_3?crid=19VFON347QWHP&keywords=ryobi+strimmer&qid=1665146325&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIzLjI0IiwicXNhIjoiMi44NyIsInFzcCI6IjIuNjQifQ==&sprefix=ryobi+strimmer,aps,75&sr=8-3

Dewalt strimmer £209 - https://www.amazon.co.uk/DeWalt-DCMST561N-Brushless-String-Trimmer/dp/B0858TBB63/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2WW69HOP3PQ5Y&keywords=dewalt+strimmer&qid=1665146315&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIzLjcwIiwicXNhIjoiMy4zNyIsInFzcCI6IjMuMDYifQ==&sprefix=dewalt+strimmer,aps,133&sr=8-1

It's the rest of the eco system where the Ryobi comes into it's own in my experience, hedge trimmer again £83 for ryobi and £129 for dewalt. I chose those as i have a strimmer and hedge trimmer myself and it was an easy choice as i already had the batteries but if i was invested in dewalt i probably wouldn't have bothered.

And yeah the ryobi stuff might not be like or like and im sure dewalts stuff is better quality but for the average home user their stuff is good enough especially for the price.
 
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sovietspybob said:
Ryobi strimmer £43 - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ryobi-OLT1832-Cordless-Trimmer-Cutting/dp/B01NB0C831/ref=sr_1_3?crid=19VFON347QWHP&keywords=ryobi+strimmer&qid=1665146325&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIzLjI0IiwicXNhIjoiMi44NyIsInFzcCI6IjIuNjQifQ==&sprefix=ryobi+strimmer,aps,75&sr=8-3

Dewalt strimmer £209 - https://www.amazon.co.uk/DeWalt-DCMST561N-Brushless-String-Trimmer/dp/B0858TBB63/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2WW69HOP3PQ5Y&keywords=dewalt+strimmer&qid=1665146315&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIzLjcwIiwicXNhIjoiMy4zNyIsInFzcCI6IjMuMDYifQ==&sprefix=dewalt+strimmer,aps,133&sr=8-1

It's the rest of the eco system where the Ryobi comes into it's own in my experience, hedge trimmer again £83 for ryobi and £129 for dewalt. I chose those as i have a strimmer and hedge trimmer myself and it was an easy choice as i already had the batteries but if i was invested in dewalt i probably wouldn't have bothered.

And yeah the ryobi stuff might not be like or like and im sure dewalts stuff is better quality but for the average home user their stuff is good enough especially for the price.
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Dewalt strimmer £139

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sovietspybob said:
Ryobi strimmer £43 - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ryobi-OLT1832-Cordless-Trimmer-Cutting/dp/B01NB0C831/ref=sr_1_3?crid=19VFON347QWHP&keywords=ryobi+strimmer&qid=1665146325&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIzLjI0IiwicXNhIjoiMi44NyIsInFzcCI6IjIuNjQifQ==&sprefix=ryobi+strimmer,aps,75&sr=8-3

Dewalt strimmer £209 - https://www.amazon.co.uk/DeWalt-DCMST561N-Brushless-String-Trimmer/dp/B0858TBB63/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2WW69HOP3PQ5Y&keywords=dewalt+strimmer&qid=1665146315&qu=eyJxc2MiOiIzLjcwIiwicXNhIjoiMy4zNyIsInFzcCI6IjMuMDYifQ==&sprefix=dewalt+strimmer,aps,133&sr=8-1

It's the rest of the eco system where the Ryobi comes into it's own in my experience, hedge trimmer again £83 for ryobi and £129 for dewalt. I chose those as i have a strimmer and hedge trimmer myself and it was an easy choice as i already had the batteries but if i was invested in dewalt i probably wouldn't have bothered.

And yeah the ryobi stuff might not be like or like and im sure dewalts stuff is better quality but for the average home user their stuff is good enough especially for the price.
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The difference comes from The batteries. Ryobi charge an fortune for batteries (where they make the money) dewalt by
Comparassion are much cheaper.

So with dewalt for example its a larger outlay but the tool is better quality/powerfull and spare batts tend to be cheaper

£74

Ryobi RB18L50 ONE+ Lithium+ 5.0Ah Battery, 18 V https://amzn.eu/d/h3NU9Gw


£57


DEWALT DCB184 XR Lithium-Ion Battery, 5Ah, 18V, 65cm x 46cm x 12cm https://amzn.eu/d/093iytp

These were the easiest to compare as I'm on mobile, but I'm sure this is the same with most if not all capacities
 
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NoobCannon said:
Dewalt strimmer £139

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DeWALT DCM561PBS String Trimmer Split Shaft 18v BODY ONLY Brushless

DeWALT DCM561PBS Grass String Trimmer Split Shaft 18v BODY ONLY Brushless Motor DeWALT Landscaping Equipment
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The difference comes from The batteries. Ryobi charge an fortune for batteries (where they make the money) dewalt by
Comparassion are much cheaper.

So with dewalt for example its a larger outlay but the tool is better quality/powerfull and spare batts tend to be cheaper

£74

Ryobi RB18L50 ONE+ Lithium+ 5.0Ah Battery, 18 V https://amzn.eu/d/h3NU9Gw


£57


DEWALT DCB184 XR Lithium-Ion Battery, 5Ah, 18V, 65cm x 46cm x 12cm https://amzn.eu/d/093iytp

These were the easiest to compare as I'm on mobile, but I'm sure this is the same with most if not all capacities
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That strimmer is still more than 3x the price of the Ryobi and while yeah the batteries are a bit pricy for Ryobi the whole point is you only need 1 or 2 as you can only use 1 tool at a time. I've got 3 Ryobi batteries (2x 5am and 1x 2ah) and about 8 or 9 tools, so surely the cheaper tools are a boon compared to cheaper batteries?
 
sovietspybob said:
That strimmer is still more than 3x the price of the Ryobi and while yeah the batteries are a bit pricy for Ryobi the whole point is you only need 1 or 2 as you can only use 1 tool at a time. I've got 3 Ryobi batteries (2x 5am and 1x 2ah) and about 8 or 9 tools, so surely the cheaper tools are a boon compared to cheaper batteries?
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I would agree with you if your only using them for the odd bit of diy, but i like to live by the “buy cheap, buy twice” motto!

In regards to the one battery at a time, my last “diy” job (building a deck) i was using 3 different tools all cordless, swapping the battery around constantly would be a pita. I like to have a set in use and a set on charge.

Horses for courses i suppose, everything has its place or they wouldn't sell as people wouldn't be buying!
 
Makita here. 18v LXT's

Combi drill
Impact driver - £54 bargain.
Brushless Router Trimmer
Angle grinder (240v)
Plunge Saw 36v - newest addition :)

Once you have a battery or two already then buying 'body only' tools is much more affordable.

For DIY use and mostly motoring duties, a 3ah or 4ah battery would be plenty with a drill or impact driver. When you start using tools with longer runtimes staying on constantly that's where 5-6ah batteries are more valuable.
 
I prefer to buy corded so i'm not really into any brand. I have a bosch battery combi for convience but thats it.
Most my corded tends to be Makita although there is also black and decker and evolution in there as well.

My sister recently moved into a new house and has no tools (no reno, just small diy), found her this combi which i thought was a bargain for £99. Brushless Dewalt combi with two batteries. We actaully discussed it and prefer the fact it had 2ah batteries as it makes the combi more convient to use for those random tasks around the house.

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Toolstation have the DeWalt dcd709 combi drill with 2x2ah batteries, charger and tstak case for £100.

Is this a decent deal? How does dcd709 compare to dcd796 or screwfixes favourite bundle drill the dcd778?
 
danlightbulb said:
Toolstation have the DeWalt dcd709 combi drill with 2x2ah batteries, charger and tstak case for £100.

Is this a decent deal? How does dcd709 compare to dcd796 or screwfixes favourite bundle drill the dcd778?
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For me, a Bosch buyer I would look a few £'s more for this good deal.

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The devil is in the detail on this.

If you read some of the posts in this thread you’d think each manufacturer only makes one of each type of product. They don’t.

The two most popular brands mentioned in this thread seem to be Ryobi abd DeWalt. Ryobi makes 5 different ranges of One+ hammer drills. 3-Series, 5-series, 7-series, HP and ‘no series’. 7-series were the top model but HP has now taken over that mantle.

DeWalt have 5, 7 and 9 series models with 997 being the current top hammer drill.

So comparing the most basic bundled Ryobi kit (2Ah battery plus no-series drill for £70) vs. the DeWalt 997 kit (£350 with a 4Ah battery) there is a fair mismatch on price, quality and features.

Yiu can’t just write off one brand as ‘cheap’ any more than you can compare a BMW 7-series with a Toyota Corolla. Compare a 7-series to a Lexus LS560 - it’s a fairer comparison.

For drills - look for torque and hammer frequency. And weight. Light is good.
 
I've gone DeWalt because of the extensive range they do as well as frequent discounts and deals at Screwfix, which is very convenient for when I need (want) something else.

It seems really good kit to me. Flawless so far and I have their (all cordless) SDS plus drill, angle grinder, impact wrench, sawzall, multi tool, and standard drill / screwdriver.

Currently saving up for their tile wet saw for upcoming bathroom projects.
 
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WJA96 said:
The devil is in the detail on this.

If you read some of the posts in this thread you’d think each manufacturer only makes one of each type of product. They don’t.

The two most popular brands mentioned in this thread seem to be Ryobi abd DeWalt. Ryobi makes 5 different ranges of One+ hammer drills. 3-Series, 5-series, 7-series, HP and ‘no series’. 7-series were the top model but HP has now taken over that mantle.

DeWalt have 5, 7 and 9 series models with 997 being the current top hammer drill.

So comparing the most basic bundled Ryobi kit (2Ah battery plus no-series drill for £70) vs. the DeWalt 997 kit (£350 with a 4Ah battery) there is a fair mismatch on price, quality and features.

Yiu can’t just write off one brand as ‘cheap’ any more than you can compare a BMW 7-series with a Toyota Corolla. Compare a 7-series to a Lexus LS560 - it’s a fairer comparison.

For drills - look for torque and hammer frequency. And weight. Light is good.
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Very good points.

Would it bet more appropriate to, say, compare Ryobi One+ to something like a Stanley Fatmax then? Seeing as that's also owned by the same company as DeWalt but the budgetty line?

I'm ultra noob in this tbh. I've kind of just used what works - not needed any for major jobs or anything.
 
adidan said:
Very good points.

Would it bet more appropriate to, say, compare Ryobi One+ to something like a Stanley Fatmax then? Seeing as that's also owned by the same company as DeWalt but the budgetty line?

I'm ultra noob in this tbh. I've kind of just used what works - not needed any for major jobs or anything.
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Actually, no - FatMax and DeWalt are effectively the same tools in different colours. The same company also owns the Black & Decker brand.

Have a look at this comparison https://mentoolbox.com/dewalt-dcd996b-vs-dcd997cb-vs-dcd998w1-vs-dcd791b-vs-dcd796/ and then you’ll have a basic idea of what specs should be of interest to you.

There are drills. Quite literally they just rotate a drill bit. Then there are drill drivers that have a lower speed, higher torque, setting to drive screws. Hammer drills go in and out while they rotate so they’re good on masonry. SDS drills are primarily hammer devices that also rotate so they are great on really hard masonry or as automated chisels.

Compare Ryobi 3-series tools with the cheapest DeWalt, 5 series compete with 7-series DeWalt and 7-series and HP compete with 9-series DeWalt. Ryibi’s big selling point is the sheer number of tools they do. DeWalt to me is a brand being carried by the reputation of the 9-series tools, Bosch is variable quality from nearly junk to truly professional, Makita is very good but expensive and Milwaukee is expensive Ryobi.

And brushless isn’t everything. Brushless just means you don’t need to replace the brushes every 2-3 years in a very heavily used tool. Brushed motors actually have lots of advantages but they’re bigger and need servicing IF you use them a lot.

Some people buy DeWalt for the TStak boxes they come in :)
 
And don’t forget good drill bits. A Milwaukee M18 Fuel will drill crap holes with crap drill bits.

I like Bosch MultiConstruction bits because they’re decent on any substrate and I don’t need to carry loads around with me.
 
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WJA96 said:
I like Bosch MultiConstruction bits because they’re decent on any substrate and I dint need to carry loads around with me.
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That is one thing I do have a few of.

I mean I only do non professional stuff but have noticed the drill bits are often the most important choice over what brand/type of drill it goes into.
 
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If you have Ryobi batteries already this is their current top-line tool

https://uk.ryobitools.eu/diy-power-tools/drilling-and-screwdriving/combi-drill/rpd18x/rpd18x-0/ and I would say that’s as good as anything from anyone up to about £250. Once you start to get over £250 then you’re into DeWalt 9-series, Milwaukee Fuel M18 etc. and they are measurably, demonstrably better. If you just want a decent drill, that Ryobi is good enough. Bear in mind they’ll all be £30 less in the run-up to Christmas and we’re close enough to Black Friday that I wouldn’t buy anything unless I needed it right now.
 
aVdub said:
For me, a Bosch buyer I would look a few £'s more for this good deal.

www.powertoolworld.co.uk

Bosch Professional GSB 18V-55 Brushless Combi Drill Inc 2x 2.0Ah Batts

Bosch GSB 18 V-55 Brushless Cordless Combi Drill inc 2x 2.0Ah Batteries, GAL 18V-20 Charger & L-Case Carry Case 06019H5370 The Bosch GSB 18V-55 Combi Drill Driver is part of the latest generation entry-level Brushless tools from Bosch Professional which offer higher efficiency - without the...
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The DeWalt has higher torque and higher impact rate. The Bosch has higher speed.

They seem almost identical really, only 10mm length difference between them, both have metal chucks & metal gears.

Compare to a dcd778 that comes in the Screwfix bundle, it's slighter higher speed but not as compact.

Compare to dcd996 top range, has over twice the power output, much higher impact speed and drilling capacities, higher torque. But is nearly 3x the price Inc batteries.

It is so easy to keep letting the spec requirement creep up on these things.
 
WJA96 said:
If you have Ryobi batteries already this is their current top-line tool

https://uk.ryobitools.eu/diy-power-tools/drilling-and-screwdriving/combi-drill/rpd18x/rpd18x-0/ and I would say that’s as good as anything from anyone up to about £250. Once you start to get over £250 then you’re into DeWalt 9-series, Milwaukee Fuel M18 etc. and they are measurably, demonstrably better. If you just want a decent drill, that Ryobi is good enough. Bear in mind they’ll all be £30 less in the run-up to Christmas and we’re close enough to Black Friday that I wouldn’t buy anything unless I needed it right now.
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That top line Ryobi drill is more expensive than dewalts top line dcd996 as a bare tool.
 
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