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Core 9000 series

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I do wonder if Intel saying 10NM is coming "soon" is also an attempt to try and stop people buying AMD. I also find it hard to believe that if the 9900K is coming out this month,that in under 9 months it will be replaced.
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While Intel's public roadmaps haven't been updated in over year their internal 2019 roadmap had desktop Ice Lake removed from it in spring:
http://www.expreview.com/64204.html
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/public-roadmap-article.html
So wouldn't expect more than some lower end mobile chips from 10nm for next summer.

And with 14nm capacity shortage who knows if actual proper availability of 9000-series goes to winter and next year.
After all it's basically another Coffee Lake and not some new generation.
Again if that Coffee Lake-R means doing die shrink of old Skylake that would tell about lot more serious problem... Of not having new functional architecture.

But of course publicly traded company tries to give shiny outlook for future instead of telling "SNAFU" continuing.
Though while nasty for consumers in short term, in long term it's actually better for consumers by giving AMD change to rise to compete on more equal footing for longer time.
I certainly hope we'll see CPU competition continue more than couple years.
 
EsaT said:
While Intel's public roadmaps haven't been updated in over year their internal 2019 roadmap had desktop Ice Lake removed from it in spring:
http://www.expreview.com/64204.html
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/public-roadmap-article.html
So wouldn't expect more than some lower end mobile chips from 10nm for next summer.

And with 14nm capacity shortage who knows if actual proper availability of 9000-series goes to winter and next year.
After all it's basically another Coffee Lake and not some new generation.
Again if that Coffee Lake-R means doing die shrink of old Skylake that would tell about lot more serious problem... Of not having new functional architecture.

But of course publicly traded company tries to give shiny outlook for future instead of telling "SNAFU" continuing.
Though while nasty for consumers in short term, in long term it's actually better for consumers by giving AMD change to rise to compete on more equal footing for longer time.
I certainly hope we'll see CPU competition continue more than couple years.
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It will be interesting to see how it pans out TBF!!
 
Yeah, well plus it's the IPC and clock speed too, but that along with thread count and built in GPU is what I want, which probably means a 9900k... it's a shame they don't put the GPU on the 2700x or whatever they're going to be releasing to compete with the intel 9000 series.
 
icehot666 said:
Yeah, well plus it's the IPC and clock speed too, but that along with thread count and built in GPU is what I want, which probably means a 9900k... it's a shame they don't put the GPU on the 2700x or whatever they're going to be releasing to compete with the intel 9000 series.
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What IPC and clocks? Have you seen the games lately? Assuming you have an RTX2080Ti there is no difference but at 1080p.
At higher resolutions the difference is 0.....
And if you have a lesser card lets say a RTX2080/1080/1080Ti/Vega or lower, there is 0 difference at 1080p also.

Pay a visit to Guru3d today and see the Shadow of Tomb Raider CPU benchmark....
 
Panos said:
What IPC and clocks? Have you seen the games lately? Assuming you have an RTX2080Ti there is no difference but at 1080p.
At higher resolutions the difference is 0.....
And if you have a lesser card lets say a RTX2080/1080/1080Ti/Vega or lower, there is 0 difference at 1080p also.

Pay a visit to Guru3d today and see the Shadow of Tomb Raider CPU benchmark....
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I've looked at benchmarks, and there is a difference, not that I'm buying this just for gaming, which everyone seems to assume is the only use case. I have a 1080 and my monitor is 144Hz 1080p - the IPC is well known to be less, and the clock speed is an obvious difference, hell it's on the box - 4.35GHz (2700x) vs 4.7Ghz (8700k) turbo.
 
Lol ive heard it all now, the reason for buying a 9900k being that it has an IGPU hahaha, for the cost difference between a 2700X and what the 9900k is likely to be you can probably buy an AMD 580, far superior to any IGPU lol...

These are crazy times we are living in, when you justify your purchase based on the chip having an Intel IGPU hahah omg
 
SiDeards73 said:
Lol ive heard it all now, the reason for buying a 9900k being that it has an IGPU hahaha, for the cost difference between a 2700X and what the 9900k is likely to be you can probably buy an AMD 580, far superior to any IGPU lol...

These are crazy times we are living in, when you justify your purchase based on the chip having an Intel IGPU hahah omg
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I am scratching my head also.
 
Robert said:
Yep...MATX choice is awful
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I find it rather odd that there are no decent MATX X470 boards also, but given the rather limited difference between most ATX and MATX case sizes then I don't think it should be a deal breaker, 5.9cm seems like not a great deal of extra height and unless you are going ITX in which case there is a big space/size saving involved.
 
I want the iGPU to do the video encoding live in OBS for twitch or recording etc - whilst the main GPU is dedicated to just running the game. I've found it works very well and produces very good quality output. Also it's handy as a backup incase the main GPU fails, you can at least still use the machine to order a new one.
 
SiDeards73 said:
Lol ive heard it all now, the reason for buying a 9900k being that it has an IGPU hahaha, for the cost difference between a 2700X and what the 9900k is likely to be you can probably buy an AMD 580, far superior to any IGPU lol...

These are crazy times we are living in, when you justify your purchase based on the chip having an Intel IGPU hahah omg
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Indeed :D
 
icehot666 said:
I want the iGPU to do the video encoding live in OBS for twitch or recording etc - whilst the main GPU is dedicated to just running the game. I've found it works very well and produces very good quality output. Also it's handy as a backup incase the main GPU fails, you can at least still use the machine to order a new one.
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The difference saved between an Intel & AMD system would pretty much allow a jump in tier from say a GTX 1070 to a GTX 1080Ti and net you a much bigger increase in what ever you are using it for even with the additional OBS overhead on it. Or alternatively, you could just buy a second card, GTX 1030 for £60, and then have your backup card and that would do the encoding.

I guess if you aren't looking for value per pound spent then Intel is the obvious choice, but if you even care slightly about it then Intel cannot currently be considered seriously with prices as they are.
 
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