Corsa Advice

[shauncr91]

So a 3yr old Vauxhall has the same quality paint finish as a new BMW ? Hardly a criticism.

I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.

Its more down to lack of care on the owners behalf, rather than the manufacturer.

No, it's down to crap paint. Are you saying all these are down to poor maintenance?:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1205804.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1209067.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1156448.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1194342.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1078994.htm

much power to get him up a hill easily.

Fixed.

 

[Demon]

While the Corsa B isn't top of the pile, it's not half as bad as people make out, especially in SRi trim..

I know people like to sensationalise, but the reality is, in that segment and year, to be honest there aren't any really great cars IMO, the Fiesta/Polo where IMO the two better cars in that class in terms of interior build and refinement, and the Saxo/106 where the more driver orientated favourites.

The 1.4 SRi is actually quite nippy, in a straight line it's got the measure of most of it's rivals, and the SRi is stiffer sprung so although it lacks feedback, it has some reasonable levels of grip, and the handling on the limit tends to predictable understeer. Unless you are quite talented as a new driver you aren't going to be able to exploit anything better, and learning to drive in a car with lower limits that is quite easy to control at these limits isn't that bad a thing (IMO)..

I'd always tell people to go and test drive all these cars, but I wouldn't laugh at anyone that bought a clean SRi Corsa..

As I have said before, most of the people who are obsessed with a cars chassis feel and 'build quality' are more often then not talentless blaggers that need the car to redress their own lack of ability.. Anyone with an ounce of ability will hustle anything down a b-road and have a smile on their face ..

 

[shauncr91]

As I have said before, most of the people who are obsessed with a cars chassis feel and 'build quality' are more often then not talentless blaggers that need the car to redress their own lack of ability.. Anyone with an ounce of ability will hustle anything down a b-road and have a smile on their face ..

This thread is starting to make my brain hurt.

 

[Demon]

This thread is starting to make my brain hurt.

To be fair, I haven't read the entire thread, just the OP and the last few replies..

The OP mentioned a Corsa B (2001) 1.4 SRi? I assume this is still the point of ridicule? If so, my comment stands..

 

[[TW]Fox]

As I have said before, most of the people who are obsessed with a cars chassis feel and 'build quality' are more often then not talentless blaggers that need the car to redress their own lack of ability.. Anyone with an ounce of ability will hustle anything down a b-road and have a smile on their face ..

The point which a staggeringly huge amount you keep missing is whats the point? Why buy something sub par because it doesnt matter when something better costs NO EXTRA MONEY?

 

[Demon]

The point which a staggeringly huge amount you keep missing is whats the point? Why buy something sub par because it doesnt matter when something better costs NO EXTRA MONEY?

Why obsess over which theoretically has the best build/interior design/exterior design/chassis when you only have yourself to please..

As I've said, as long as the car has a reasonable level of handling, looks good to you and as long as you have a little talent you'll be able to hustle it down a b-road and have a little fun. Why would I buy a fiesta if I don't like the look of it and that I'd have to be driving it very close to the limit to outperform the other cars just because someone on a forum thinks that its the best (for them).?

The corsa is relatively 'par' for the course, it's midfield, or have you not sampled the delights of that age/type of car? A 2001 polo/clio/saxo/106/fiesta/Jazz etc? we are talking all manor of mediocrity..

 

[Moeks]

Why obsess over which theoretically has the best build/interior design/exterior design/chassis when you only have yourself to please..

...Because the devil is in the details, that's where you really separate cars out more often than not.


Well I can't speak for you, but I'm one of the hardest people to please that I can think of when it comes to things like this.

The way I see it though, as Fox says, why settle for less? ...if there is no practical reason to do so, it just does not make any sense.

It's not like either the Corsa or Fiesta are astounding beauties compared to each-other, they are much of a muchness in that regard I think. Maybe you prefer one to the other, but surely not so much that you would pick the inferior car?

 

[Demon]

...Because the devil is in the details, that's where you really separate cars out more often than not.


Well I can't speak for you, but I'm one of the hardest people to please that I can think of when it comes to things like this.

The way I see it though, as Fox says, why settle for less? ...if there is no practical reason to do so, it just does not make any sense.

It's not like either the Corsa or Fiesta are astounding beauties compared to each-other, they are much of a muchness in that regard I think. Maybe you prefer one to the other, but surely not so much that you would pick the inferior car?

It's not so easy as just saying the car is 'inferior', it depends on your own criteria.

For example, comparing the 1.4 Corsa SRi to the 1.4 Fiesta Zetec of that year, you can see the Corsa is a fair bit quicker in a straight line, where most people spend most of their time. It's stiffer sprung then a regular Corsa, so although it's not brilliant, it's capable enough for most people to be hustled along if needed.. You'd have to be going at a fair lick to expose it's shortcomings to the Fiesta (IME).
The exterior is on-par, and the interior is low-rent plastic, but then so is the Fiesta..

So if you think that the interior/exterior are personal preference, this leaves more straight line poke vs a nicer drive..

I can see that within the realms of normality, someones critiria might make the Corsa an OK choice.

The fact peoples opinions/decisions are so black and white with either good or bad, no inbetween shows that it's not necessarily a very well balanced opinion, as it lacks the human element that is so prevalent in car choice.

 

[thecremeegg]

I had a fiesta, it was crap. I learnt to drive in a corsa, it was also crap though not quite as much. I didnt hate driving the corsa, it was perfectly acceptable. They are however stupidly overpriced for some reason

 

[ScottehBotteh]

I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.

Thats probably because you are not aware of the issues with BMW paint quality. It is poor, far worse than Vauxhalls at this moment in time.

No, it's down to crap paint. Are you saying all these are down to poor maintenance?:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1205804.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1209067.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1156448.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1194342.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1078994.htm

You seemed to have missed the cars even upto 10 years old on pistonheads which are still gleaming. If you resist washing a car with fairy liquid and look after it, it will not go pink.


http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f17/SD08/A1.jpg

A pink BMW...

 

[[TW]Fox]

You are deluded if you deny there is a problem with red Vauxhall paint. It's not really worth arguing about because it's quite clearly an issue, there is a disproportionately high level of faded red Vauxhalls between 3-8 years old, too many to put down to poor maintenance. Other marques are not similarly reflected.

BMW do indeed have paint quality issues - the orange peel on current models is particularly poor, fading red is not a known issue though. What age car is that picture of? Looks suspiciously like Japan Red to me, a colour found almost exclusively on....

...... ex Diplomatic Protection Group E39's, which spent half their life covered in stickers which have resulted in questionable paint finishes.

 

[Demon]

You are deluded if you deny there is a problem with red Vauxhall paint. It's not really worth arguing about because it's quite clearly an issue, there is a disproportionately high level of faded red Vauxhalls between 3-8 years old, too many to put down to poor maintenance. Other marques are not similarly reflected.

BMW do indeed have paint quality issues - the orange peel on current models is particularly poor, fading red is not a known issue though. What age car is that picture of? Looks suspiciously like Japan Red to me, a colour found almost exclusively on....

...... ex Diplomatic Protection Group E39's, which spent half their life covered in stickers which have resulted in questionable paint finishes.

Indeed, the Red paint is an issue, there have been some threads on here about it, and some paint experts did pipe up and explain why, old paint technology I believe was one reason, and not being lacquered was the other IIRC.

Some newer reds are lacquered, and seem to be fine, but it is an issue worth noting.

Of course, other colours fair perfectly well, and are par for the course..

I have heard of issues on all manufacturers, with poor paint finishes, etc, I wouldn't single BMW out as being the only ones that have had the odd hiccup, in general their paint finishes are high quality, my brothers E39 M5 still looks immaculate.

 

[iaind]

They are nasty, vile, cheap, tacky, substandard pieces of misery and woe that infect our streets like a plague, purveyors of nastiness and mediocrity, and Vauxhall ‘should’ be lambasted for daring to market and sell such a piece of utter junk to us. Frankly they should be embarrassed, and perhaps now that BSM have jumped ships they will have a rethink, maybe …I hope.

You sir, are a credit to the English language and posts like this are a breath of fresh air on the internet

Top the OP, take the sound advice from posts like this

 

[Demon]

You sir, are a credit to the English language and posts like this are a breath of fresh air on the internet

Top the OP, take the sound advice from posts like this

Yeah, because the Fiesta/Rover/Citreon/Renault/Peugeot from 2001 are all such amazingly better cars, lets single out the Corsa that had reasonable reviews in the day as being so horrific it's a travesty to mankind..

LOLz.. I think everyone like to mimic Jeremy Clarkon these days, despite the fact he frequently buys cars that are terrible in one way of another.. Volvo XC90 anyone?

 

[[TW]Fox]

Whats wrong with the XC90?

Sure its no diesel powered Zafira (The real reason for your die hard Vauxhall supporting I suspect) but as family cars go its pretty good?

 

[iaind]

Yeah, because the Fiesta/Rover/Citreon/Renault/Peugeot from 2001 are all such amazingly better cars, lets single out the Corsa that had reasonable reviews in the day as being so horrific it's a travesty to mankind..

LOLz.. I think everyone like to mimic Jeremy Clarkon these days, despite the fact he frequently buys cars that are terrible in one way of another.. Volvo XC90 anyone?

Fiesta - better, thats a given
Rover - technically might be better, by a margin if you can stomach the image
Citroen (Saxo presumably) - better, if a bit chavvy
Renault (Clio) - better
Pug (106) - better

Whats the problem? The Corsa's the worst of the bunch, there's no actual justification for buying one - ever.

 

[Demon]

Whats wrong with the XC90?

Sure its no diesel powered Zafira (The real reason for your die hard Vauxhall supporting I suspect) but as family cars go its pretty good?

Go drive one! it's one of the worst handling in that class, he slated it on several grounds even admitted by JC in his review, yet strangely he bought one..

And LOLz at the die-hard Vx fan bit.. No, it's just common sense and a balanced opinion..
I have had several Vauxhalls, driven them all hard, and know full well where their shortcomings are, but strangely, I find my views align with the press reviews of these cars, which is a million miles away from the sensationalistic drivel spouted on here at times..

All the cars in that class and age are very run of the mill, none really stand out as amazing cars, we are talking degrees of mediocrity here, and at least the particular car in question a 1.4 SRi has slightly sportier pretentions with a bit of straight line poke..

 

[[TW]Fox]

Go drive one! it's one of the worst handling in that class, he slated it on several grounds even admitted by JC in his review, yet strangely he bought one..

Errr his review quite clearly states the X5 is miles better as a drivers tool but the XC90 came in for praise in other areas, mostly it's huge practicality. He explained exactly why he bought one.

I find my views align with the press reviews of these cars, which is a million miles away from the sensationalistic drivel spouted on here at times..

Show me a glowing press review of a Corsa C?

 

[RoboCod]

This little brother of yours... it's you isn't it?

 

[Demon]

Errr his review quite clearly states the X5 is miles better as a drivers tool but the XC90 came in for praise in other areas, mostly it's huge practicality. He explained exactly why he bought one.

Show me a glowing press review of a Corsa C?

No, show me a review of the Corsa C that fits this..

They are nasty, vile, cheap, tacky, substandard pieces of misery and woe that infect our streets like a plague, purveyors of nastiness and mediocrity, and Vauxhall ‘should’ be lambasted for daring to market

That's all I'm saying..

I know the Corsa is generally the worst in it's class when it comes to driving, it's softly sprung, no feedback, etc.. however, the OP's SRi trim does give better suspension that brings it into the 'OK' category IMO, not awesome, just OK, but it does have a straight line advantage over it's rivals, looks OK from the outside, and inside, although pretty low-rent, isn't exactly an issue considering the fact it's rivals are all low-rent too.

You are mistakenly thinking I'm trying to champion the Corsa as best in class, I'm not, I'm just saying that the OP's specific model has enough attributes that would mean it could be justified to a normal person as a reasonable choice, given the criteria I've mentioned.