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Cost of Living - Shrinkflation is speeding up at an alarming rate
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Soldato
Ok I got that wrong, I should have said, if you avoid animal products you'll save yourself some money seeing as they seem to be rising at the highest rates.
Almond/soy milk is around £1.25 -1.50, Plus cows milk is only cheap because of our tax subsidizes, so youre paying for it twice, might be a bit difficult to work out the "true" cost of milk mind.
Oh yeah, I get that.
Me and him have had a few back and forth exchanges, usually because he spouts crap that is incorrect and is unable to back it up once challenged, over and above posting some random "facts" and anecdotal stories from militant vegan websites.... Who, of course, dont have an agenda
lol, please refresh my memory on what I posted that was "incorrect". (not inc the above obvs)
I wonder what the agenda is exactly, causing less animal suffering? that's some crazy "militant" agenda xD
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I'm not playing that game.... Refresh your own memory as most of it is in the thread you created about veganism.
The very fact that militant vegans haven't understood that, if everyone switched to Veganism, there would not be enough suitable land to produce enough food means they have put no thought into it other than the "must not eat animals" blinkered view
Are you suggesting arable farmers don't get subsidies? (oats used in oat milk for example)
Edit - for clarity, I have nothing against vegans as a whole but I do take exception to the militant ones who push their view on others and will not accept others opinion unless it matches theirs.
You know, like @Johno please? does at times.
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Soldato
We have enough land, except we currently use it to the feed the 80 billion land animals we raise and kill every year...
If the world adopted a plant-based diet, we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares
We could reduce the amount of land used for grazing and croplands used to grow animal feed.
ourworldindata.org
I'm more than happy for people who grow grains to get subsidies if it stops cows being abused and killed.
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It's ridiculous. Some products are so small now, you get half a portion and that's that. I would honestly prefer them to increase the price.
We humans need meat, there was report published over the weekend, suggesting meat was important for our growth. just stay away from mincemeat , processed meat and industrial pork and you should be fine.We have enough land, except we currently use it to the feed the 80 billion land animals we raise and kill every year...
If the world adopted a plant-based diet, we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares
We could reduce the amount of land used for grazing and croplands used to grow animal feed.
I'm more than happy for people who grow grains to get subsidies if it stops cows being abused and killed.
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A lot of ice cream is now 900g and I'm sure it was 1kg
Soldato
Don't want to derail the thread anymore really, but no we don't need meat at all. You have a world of information at your fingertips but you couldnt just check this yourself before posting
I have cut down a bit on the lotto by a couple of quid. Never buy scratch cards.
Soldato
No longer do it.
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I need meat.Don't want to derail the thread anymore really, but no we don't need meat at all. You have a world of information at your fingertips but you couldnt just check this yourself before posting
I have cut down a bit on the lotto by a couple of quid. Never buy scratch cards.
Oatly better for the environment but not you - so need to take care on these ultra processed foodstuffs, vegan alternatives.
Soldato
Definitely not going back to cow juice but worth knowing, I think some make their own on here
Just bought some Lidl barrista oat milk will check out the label, only have it in coffee though but a lot of non vegans do now just for the better taste
Soldato
Then some people are eating two of these things. Not just solely on one item, multiple items. Wonder if obesity has increased in the line of shrinkflation.
Soldato
It's the worst thing they can do, as well, because value for money decreases as the portion decreases in size. The overheads become the main thing you are paying for.
I think the most ridiculous one I have seen to date is Coleman's, who's pots have reduced to minuscule - 150g.
Stopped both as well
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When I think I have a chance, and I've forgotten how pointless it is, until I realise I never even get one number right: so a few months every few years, and that hasn't changed as yet.
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We have enough land, except we currently use it to the feed the 80 billion land animals we raise and kill every year...
If the world adopted a plant-based diet, we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares
We could reduce the amount of land used for grazing and croplands used to grow animal feed.
I'm more than happy for people who grow grains to get subsidies if it stops cows being abused and killed.
It's worth pointing out these are back of the envelope maths
I doesn't take into account the vast amounts of grazing land is used for grazing because it unsuitable for crops, so where would the new land needed for crops come from in order to hit demand? It won't be grazing land that's not always suitable.
It doesn't consider land for crops is significantly more environmentally harmful to the ecosystem than grazing land. There is significantly more flora and fauna in land used by cattle than by crop. Biodiversity has an overwhelming advantage in grazing fields.
It also blissfully ignores the slaughter innocent insects and wildlife to create crop land, mass deforestation, vegans love their avocados which is one of the more environmentally harmful food items in our stores more so than many farm animals.
Everything isn't as black and white as your campaign groups like to make out, as always a balanced approach is needed.