Could you Torture?

MooMoo444 · 23 Jun 2013 at 13:37

Returnee? Seems a really odd topic to start for a new user.

aln · 23 Jun 2013 at 13:38

Jono8 said:
Before we go further, is that like a 'use-by' or 'best before' date?

Dfineatly a use-by. Best before sounds a bit pedo.

dowie · 23 Jun 2013 at 13:40

Might throw in this in case anyone is interested:

awesome film in general but does cover the subject of torture - its also a great look at a counter insurgency operation from both sides of the fence... in some ways there are a few parallels that could be drawn with Iraq and Afghanistan - certainly some lessons to be learned

G-MAN2004 · 23 Jun 2013 at 13:43

Tefal said:
to those saying yes, you're saying you could do that?

Wow, that was a horrible read. I have no idea how anyone can do such things and not feel utterly awful about it.

Gackt · 23 Jun 2013 at 13:44

Thompson_NCL said:
Absolutely. If someone seriously harmed a person I cared about, I'd happily torture that person. I am not saying I'd recreate a scene from Hostel or Saw necessarily, but I'd make the person suffer.

I'd also torture those who commit treason against the nation.

Either a troll or a mentally ill person.

Not sure they're mutually exclusive though.

wndsr · 23 Jun 2013 at 13:45

G-MAN2004 said:
Wow, that was a horrible read. I have no idea how anyone can do such things and not feel utterly awful about it.

I think there is a difference between 'torturing for the sake of torturing' - i.e. following the orders of somebody who has control over you, and torturing somebody because of how you feel about that person.

I'd be unable to follow the orders of somebody and torture somebody, because there is no emotion there. Honestly, if somebody was to do something to inflict pain upon those I cared about, I highly doubt I'd find hurting that person as difficult.

Kanifee · 23 Jun 2013 at 13:50

No. If someone did something to a person i loved and the circumstances that extreme i imagine i could kill them, torture them is another matter and i doubt i could put my self through watching someone suffer for any period of time.

Schlong&Stable · 23 Jun 2013 at 14:07

bsoltan said:
You would torture someone just to cause them pain and suffering? That's a bit weird.

What is weird about wanting to punish those who have hurt those you care about? That is one of the most basic instincts there is. I should add that I am not arguing that it's a good thing, it's just something I think I'd be capable of doing.

Jono8 said:
For a new poster, this is seriously strange...I wonder what IP address you are.

What is strange about wanting to punish those who betray your nation? Betraying your nation ranks second only to betraying your family in most traditional morality.

to those saying yes, you're saying you could do that?

you're saying you could take a small innocent child rape, mutilate and brutalize her in front of her mother or father?

gouge the eyes from a Womans head infront of her children before killing them?

burn someone alive?

no offence but if you can do that then the only one who deserves it us you, but you're lucky that the people who say no couldn't treat you the same way you would treat others

Well you're talking of harming children who are presumably innocent, so of course not. You're also choosing quite extreme examples of torture, which encompasses far less severe punishments. I am sure water boarding is not something I ever wish to experience, but it's nothing like eye-gouging.

Either a troll or a mentally ill person.

Not sure they're mutually exclusive though.

Either a troll, or incapable of mature discussion.

Not sure they are mutually exclusive though.

Tefal · 23 Jun 2013 at 14:16

wndzr said:
I think there is a difference between 'torturing for the sake of torturing' - i.e. following the orders of somebody who has control over you, and torturing somebody because of how you feel about that person.

I'd be unable to follow the orders of somebody and torture somebody, because there is no emotion there. Honestly, if somebody was to do something to inflict pain upon those I cared about, I highly doubt I'd find hurting that person as difficult.

I think afterwards you'd feel different. with the former you'll always be able to say "I had to do it or it would have happened to me instead" with the later when you're haunted by what you've done you'll have no one to blame but yourself

Tefal · 23 Jun 2013 at 14:18

Thompson_NCL said:
What is weird about wanting to punish those who have hurt those you care about? That is one of the most basic instincts there is. I should add that I am not arguing that it's a good thing, it's just something I think I'd be capable of doing.

What is strange about wanting to punish those who betray your nation? Betraying your nation ranks second only to betraying your family in most traditional morality.

Well you're talking of harming children who are presumably innocent, so of course not. You're also choosing quite extreme examples of torture, which encompasses far less severe punishments. I am sure water boarding is not something I ever wish to experience, but it's nothing like eye-gouging.

Either a troll, or incapable of mature discussion.

Not sure they are mutually exclusive though.

most victims of torture are innocent so why should using another innocent as part of your torture change anything?

and actually I'm choosing quite common examples of torture, stabbing someone in the eyes is generally easier than water boarding

Fuzz · 23 Jun 2013 at 14:22

I'm not a nasty person by any means but I have an evil way about me that could quite easily boil over under the right circumstances, so yes, yes I could.

The only trouble with my evil streak is that I don't think I could contain it to "just" torture. I think I'd end up beating them to death too quickly to call it torture.

areksnumbr1sxylady · 23 Jun 2013 at 14:22

Sure thing

panyan · 23 Jun 2013 at 14:23

Hades said:
Not sure whether to grab some popcorn or back out of the thread.

+1

wndsr · 23 Jun 2013 at 14:23

Tefal said:
I think afterwards you'd feel different. with the former you'll always be able to say "I had to do it or it would have happened to me instead" with the later when you're haunted by what you've done you'll have no one to blame but yourself

I may not be haunted by it though? If that person had done something so severe that the only way I could have some sort of closure was to inflict pain upon them, I would find it hard to imagine being haunted by it..

Tefal · 23 Jun 2013 at 14:25

I think you'd find the screams would linger with you

ElliorR · 23 Jun 2013 at 14:25

I doubt I could tie someone to a chair and force them to watch Eastenders so probably not.

~Divine~Wind~ · 23 Jun 2013 at 14:25

For a proper reasondeserving it? Yes

anything I don't mind · 23 Jun 2013 at 14:26

I could do psychological torture, make someone watch repeats of antique road show while strapped to a chair.

Randomface74 · 23 Jun 2013 at 14:26

better things to do

Tefal · 23 Jun 2013 at 14:27

~Divine~Wind~ said:
For a proper reasondeserving it? Yes

what's that then?

at least if you're doing it because you want to inspire fear in a population you kinda have a reason or for information.

doing it just because they hurt you though serves no purpose whatsoever and won't change a thing

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