Council refuse charges
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This sort of thing make my blood boil. With ever increasing council taxes year on year above the rate of inflation, they want to get more selective with their service. If you pay your taxes they should do their ******* job no questions asked. They seem to constantly want more money then dictate to you through petty minded fines that you should have to settle for a lesser service.
Do as some one said earlier, go to the MPs local surgury and take your rubbish and leave it in the office, in fact get all of your local area to do the same. This sort of BS has to stop.
Do as some one said earlier, go to the MPs local surgury and take your rubbish and leave it in the office, in fact get all of your local area to do the same. This sort of BS has to stop.
I don't understand how in some places, they charge people for overfilling their wheelie bins. Where I live the wheelie bins are only for Recycling. All other rubbish has to be in bin bags on the street. A free feed for the local foxes. A few years ago I did some Agency work driving dustcarts in a different area. The dustmen there, took all of the bin bags out the bins and piled them up in one place. I can see why people are confused. 
What we need is a NATIONAL recycling policy. One size fits all approach. That way everyone will have access to recycling facilities for (e.g. a house collection/box thing) Glass, Cardboard, Cans/Tins, Plastic etc - and what's with the can only accept one type of plastic thing? IF only one type of plastic can be easily recycled, why aren't we making the packaging companies or manufacturers of those products use that plastic?
Our council tax has gone up about 100% since Labour came to power, and in that time I've seen a massive decline in pysical police presence (bobbies on the beat), an increase in anti-social behaviour, police claiming they don't have the funds/resources to actually deal with crime - for example the credit card fraud story in today's news.... the bin men have gone from collecting the bins from the far end of the back garden, behind the shed - to just inside the back garden, to the very edge of our property boundry. From a weekly collection to a fortnightly collection.
HOWEVER... My local council has actually saved the taxpayer some money, by not wasting things like road salt - and guess what... They were FINED by the Government for it, for saving money. Great.
Why is it every other country in the world seems to have 2 or 3 times a week rubbish collections, and great recycling schemes and pays a damn sight less than we are forced to for it?
Question: Is a member of the public allowed to take their own bin bag if it won't fit in the bin, and put it on the bin lorry themselves? If not, why not? And why are the binmen encouraged/forced to leave bins lying around creating a health hazard (more likely in summer) Just because the lid is slightly open? It's not like they have to use any effort these days with wheely bins and hoist things on the back of the lorries to pick up the bins and empty them into said lorry.
Our council tax has gone up about 100% since Labour came to power, and in that time I've seen a massive decline in pysical police presence (bobbies on the beat), an increase in anti-social behaviour, police claiming they don't have the funds/resources to actually deal with crime - for example the credit card fraud story in today's news.... the bin men have gone from collecting the bins from the far end of the back garden, behind the shed - to just inside the back garden, to the very edge of our property boundry. From a weekly collection to a fortnightly collection.
HOWEVER... My local council has actually saved the taxpayer some money, by not wasting things like road salt - and guess what... They were FINED by the Government for it, for saving money. Great.
Why is it every other country in the world seems to have 2 or 3 times a week rubbish collections, and great recycling schemes and pays a damn sight less than we are forced to for it?
Question: Is a member of the public allowed to take their own bin bag if it won't fit in the bin, and put it on the bin lorry themselves? If not, why not? And why are the binmen encouraged/forced to leave bins lying around creating a health hazard (more likely in summer) Just because the lid is slightly open? It's not like they have to use any effort these days with wheely bins and hoist things on the back of the lorries to pick up the bins and empty them into said lorry.
It's great that you've taken the time to try and help out, As a local authority myself feel that your comments about insults aimed at Council employees could best be described as ****ing in the wind
Its not the employees mostly its a few idiots that set policy, but then I dont get why binmen can be so strict about it, i hate when people with fairly unintelligent jobs that swear by the rulebook or whatever, it wouldnt hurt them to give some people a break sometimes.
Bit like the ticket people in rail carriages when they dont let you buy a railcard on the train and get stroppy because theres been too big a queue for buying tickets at station and you've had to rush.. =///
Bit like the ticket people in rail carriages when they dont let you buy a railcard on the train and get stroppy because theres been too big a queue for buying tickets at station and you've had to rush.. =///
We don't have an outside area - no garden, carpark, wheelie bins, nothing like that. But we do have 2 week collections.
I'd love to see the imbecile that came up with these ideas keeping their stinking rubbish in their hallway (there's literally nowhere else to put it) for up to 10 days.
If they pulled anything like this on us i'd harvest their vital organs with my bare hands. It's bad enough that they've actually got the bloody nerve to charge more for this "service"!
Don't get me wrong, i'm all for recycling, and we recycle a lot of stuff (every other week is recycling). But the council tax is going up despite the people doing part of the job for the council (sifting through rubbish and picking out recyclable things), and this quite simply is unacceptable.
Nail. Hit. Head.
I'd love to see the imbecile that came up with these ideas keeping their stinking rubbish in their hallway (there's literally nowhere else to put it) for up to 10 days.
If they pulled anything like this on us i'd harvest their vital organs with my bare hands. It's bad enough that they've actually got the bloody nerve to charge more for this "service"!
Don't get me wrong, i'm all for recycling, and we recycle a lot of stuff (every other week is recycling). But the council tax is going up despite the people doing part of the job for the council (sifting through rubbish and picking out recyclable things), and this quite simply is unacceptable.
Nail. Hit. Head.
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to be honest it would cost quite a bit for a lot of councils to sift through your rubbish for you so i can understand the recycling, i think its easy for us to do without councils charging ridiculous amounts to do it for us, we sort it at home and its easy, perhaps due to the amount of space available though.
They did it before this big shift to a more "recycling" mentality - where's all the money going that they're "saving" by not having to do all this?
Not true, as a principle of contract law: see the postal rule.
Not sure how it applies in practice in court dealings.
I'm only passing on what the magistrates and police officers on another forum have said.
Not forgetting the money they actually make when they sell on all the recovered materials, which would previously have gone into the landfill.
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A few more points my area has 69,000 properties and we receive £300,000 for all the recycling we collect over 12 months.
Residents have the recycling collected every two weeks so 26 collections per year, by my calculations that works out at £5.98 per year per house or 23p a week. Now take into account the 3.5million collections we do a year for refuse at once a week I think the service we offer works out costing the tax payer £46 per year which adding together refuse and recycling costs each house 0.58p per week. pay as you throw which some Countrys do will cost you a lot more, if you do not believe me do a qucik phone call to a company who carries out trade waste collections in your area.
Some other countrys carry out collections 2-3 times a week but:
1. These areas are a lot smaller, i.e. Spain
2. They landfill everything
3. They have a much hotter climate meaning they have too.
If you do not want to keep bags outside buy a bin, a £20-30 investment to keep your garden or drive clear seems resonable to me.
A resident would not be allowed to place any nags in the truck themselves due to H&S and any type of accident could occur. For the dustbin man its all about getting home quicker, if at work your told that by doing just 5 jobs a day means you go when they are finished and paid the same amount what would you do?
These guys are not the best paid, they walk up to 13 miles a day, and should not have to manage your waste for you, as a member of the public you have a duty to contain and manager your waste in a way you have been told too, if you dont do this it does not get taken. That is not to say I agree with some of the nazi like Councils who bring shame on all the decent ones.
Residents have the recycling collected every two weeks so 26 collections per year, by my calculations that works out at £5.98 per year per house or 23p a week. Now take into account the 3.5million collections we do a year for refuse at once a week I think the service we offer works out costing the tax payer £46 per year which adding together refuse and recycling costs each house 0.58p per week. pay as you throw which some Countrys do will cost you a lot more, if you do not believe me do a qucik phone call to a company who carries out trade waste collections in your area.
Some other countrys carry out collections 2-3 times a week but:
1. These areas are a lot smaller, i.e. Spain
2. They landfill everything
3. They have a much hotter climate meaning they have too.
If you do not want to keep bags outside buy a bin, a £20-30 investment to keep your garden or drive clear seems resonable to me.
A resident would not be allowed to place any nags in the truck themselves due to H&S and any type of accident could occur. For the dustbin man its all about getting home quicker, if at work your told that by doing just 5 jobs a day means you go when they are finished and paid the same amount what would you do?
These guys are not the best paid, they walk up to 13 miles a day, and should not have to manage your waste for you, as a member of the public you have a duty to contain and manager your waste in a way you have been told too, if you dont do this it does not get taken. That is not to say I agree with some of the nazi like Councils who bring shame on all the decent ones.
and you wonder why people treat council workers with a degree of distain, your attitude is neither helpful nor customer orientated.
The recyling situation in this country is laughable and some of the regs being bought in are utterly ridiculous. I still don't understand how anyone can be fined for over filling a bin the court should simply throw the case out due to lack of evidence as in 98% of cases the bin will have spent a good 8+ hours on the public highway!
Please Please Please don't start campaiging for a one size fits all solution, our local council are desperate to give us a third wheel bin to put garden waste and the like in what they have failed to realise is most of the housing stock in my council ward is victorian terraces so the requirment for a garden waste bin thats bigger than our standard black bin is a little stupid.
I dont think anyone disputes that, the problem is that once you put your bin out for collection and goto work its now beyond your control if someone else comes along and adds to your bin or even tips it all over the street ( as sometimes happens on our road thanks to the darlings at the local school ). How on earth can anyone justify fining someone for something that has not been done by them and moreover cannot be PROVED to have been done by them. At least if you get a parking ticket they usually take a digi photo or something now to prove it.
Where i live in failsworth manchester, we have really good binmen who will take anything you leave out, overloaded bin or not. You can even leave bin bags near your bin and they just take it. Im worried though that the council are going to chance into nazis and make up silly rules like others round the country are doing.
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Not over sure what you want the Council to do, residents here would jump at the chance of a free green waste collection.
What does the public want, a daily collection which allows you to throw out anything you want small or large? Free bins or black sacks? The guy to come into your property, walk to the back of your garden, take the bin to the vehicle empty it, then take the bin back into the garden again and maybe clean it for you on the way in case the smell annoys you?
it is not gunna happen, central funds have been reduced, meaning the small Councils are forced to make savings and the only way of doing that is to cut services.
As a family of 4 people, I produce 1 full recycling bin every two weeks and I put out my wheelie bin once a week which is half to 3/4 full, I put my bin out which I do not see as a problem, I leave it neatly and do not cause any obstacles to anyone else, I then put my bin back in at the end of the day when I return from work. What is so diffucult about doing that?
I DO not agree with two weekly refuse collections
I DO not agree with Councils that provide a silly box to put material in.
I DO not agree with charging for a green waste service (but a free service will cost millions)
I have been helpful in this thread, offered to help the original poster and tried to educate you on some of the internal problems in providing a waste collection service, but people want everything done for them.
What does the public want, a daily collection which allows you to throw out anything you want small or large? Free bins or black sacks? The guy to come into your property, walk to the back of your garden, take the bin to the vehicle empty it, then take the bin back into the garden again and maybe clean it for you on the way in case the smell annoys you?
it is not gunna happen, central funds have been reduced, meaning the small Councils are forced to make savings and the only way of doing that is to cut services.
As a family of 4 people, I produce 1 full recycling bin every two weeks and I put out my wheelie bin once a week which is half to 3/4 full, I put my bin out which I do not see as a problem, I leave it neatly and do not cause any obstacles to anyone else, I then put my bin back in at the end of the day when I return from work. What is so diffucult about doing that?
I DO not agree with two weekly refuse collections
I DO not agree with Councils that provide a silly box to put material in.
I DO not agree with charging for a green waste service (but a free service will cost millions)
I have been helpful in this thread, offered to help the original poster and tried to educate you on some of the internal problems in providing a waste collection service, but people want everything done for them.
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Well like I said in an earlier post in three years we have received one report of someone placing waste with other bags, which we sorted with a visit to the people doing it.
I cant comment on the authoritys giving out FPN's for stupid rules that they make but in West Sussex none of us work like that, I know London work a little like that I would be interested in what authoritys your refer to so I can do some research about it.
I cant comment on the authoritys giving out FPN's for stupid rules that they make but in West Sussex none of us work like that, I know London work a little like that I would be interested in what authoritys your refer to so I can do some research about it.