But that is the service that used to be provided. How have central funds reduced if we're all paying more than we used to? Or do you mean the gov are just releasing less cash to councils?
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But that is the service that used to be provided. How have central funds reduced if we're all paying more than we used to? Or do you mean the gov are just releasing less cash to councils?
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I feel a bit sorry for the bin men where I live.
They use one of the trucks that has a arm that swings out, it latched onto the bin, empties it and puts it back. So if the bin is overly full, it will not latch correctly. This is why we have the rule regarding the lid closing. What they then have to do is get out an manually load the bin, which is fine until you realise the VERY tight schedule they have to complete their rounds. If they take too long they get hassle from their boss back at the yard. They get all the grief, but it's not always their fault. Around half the guys in our area also lost their jobs when the refuse collection was sub contracted out.
From my experience Council compentancy vaires massively accross the country. I just now happen to live in an county that is notoriously badly managed.
They use one of the trucks that has a arm that swings out, it latched onto the bin, empties it and puts it back. So if the bin is overly full, it will not latch correctly. This is why we have the rule regarding the lid closing. What they then have to do is get out an manually load the bin, which is fine until you realise the VERY tight schedule they have to complete their rounds. If they take too long they get hassle from their boss back at the yard. They get all the grief, but it's not always their fault. Around half the guys in our area also lost their jobs when the refuse collection was sub contracted out.
From my experience Council compentancy vaires massively accross the country. I just now happen to live in an county that is notoriously badly managed.
I have no problem with a free garden waste collection in fact I would welcome more recylcing on the door step as to be perfectly honest in Sheffield the curren service which only covers paper is terrible, what I object to is the one size fits all approach I have a very small garden mowing the lawn generates less than 1 carrier bag of clippings. Why therefore do I need a green bin that is bigger than my standard wheely bin to clutter up my already small garden?
You attitude that it is all for us to sort out is also terrible, you work in a service industry we are you customers and you should be supplying the services we want not telling us what we want. Councils charge a significant and increasing sum directly to us for refuse collection and we get a continually reducing service, when I was young the bin man slung the bin over his shoulder and picked a few bags off the floor chucked it all in the truck and put the bin back, please explain why I am paying way more money (even allowing for inflation) for a lesser service?
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Well two fold:
Landfill tax has increased meaning you pay more for what is landfilled.
Central government give us less
As the cost of living has raised that of other services has: salerys, fuel, vehicle costs etc the same as any business.
Ok breakdown of what we pay as a guide as the price is 3 years old now and has a rise every year of around 2.5-3%
Street cleaning - £1,177,789
Refuse collection - £1,781,459 (Weekly)
Recycling - £593,216 (Every 2 weeks)
Beach cleaning £95,328
Public toilets £145,981
Total £3,793,773 a year
Year 2 +3% = £3,911,106
Year 3 +3% = £4,032,068
The area has 69k properties and 14 miles of beach, we receive 300k in recycling credits and pay £630k to collect recycling currently.
Landfill tax has increased meaning you pay more for what is landfilled.
Central government give us less
As the cost of living has raised that of other services has: salerys, fuel, vehicle costs etc the same as any business.
Ok breakdown of what we pay as a guide as the price is 3 years old now and has a rise every year of around 2.5-3%
Street cleaning - £1,177,789
Refuse collection - £1,781,459 (Weekly)
Recycling - £593,216 (Every 2 weeks)
Beach cleaning £95,328
Public toilets £145,981
Total £3,793,773 a year
Year 2 +3% = £3,911,106
Year 3 +3% = £4,032,068
The area has 69k properties and 14 miles of beach, we receive 300k in recycling credits and pay £630k to collect recycling currently.
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So what you saying is that because you have a small garden they should give you a smaller bin, yet they will be making savings by bulk ordering the same style bin from the manafactures, two bins means two prices, means someone has to decided who gets a small/large.
How long would it take and cost to survey 69k properties? That does not take into account those who would want a small because they done use it as much, those who want a larger then the normal large because they produce more green waste, your talking about having a cheaper service on one hand yet wanting them to give you choices of how they do it, you cannot have both.
Cant post anymore as filter blocks at 2pm will post tonight.
How long would it take and cost to survey 69k properties? That does not take into account those who would want a small because they done use it as much, those who want a larger then the normal large because they produce more green waste, your talking about having a cheaper service on one hand yet wanting them to give you choices of how they do it, you cannot have both.
Cant post anymore as filter blocks at 2pm will post tonight.
He's taking the time to answer questions that he doesn't have to and in the process getting **** from people like you.
Yeah his attitude sucks
I was going to say you shouldn't waste your time in this thread on page one, the minute you said you worked in local authority waste collection you were opening yourself for a load of grief.
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Last post from me for now have z read of the EU landfill directive to see the problems we have to deal with.
How does that break down, does it include disposal of waste as it seems a lot per bin. I'm sure a few of us would opt out of collections if we saved £25 a week by taking it to the dump ourselves
Yeah Gober I feel sorry for you mate, I understand that you have a budget and you have to stick to it, and that's the bottom line.
The two points I don't agree with (although I see you've noted one of them as something you don't like either) is two week collections (which are just disgusting) and the fact that although the people recycle themselves, council tax is still climbing faster than inflation!
The two points I don't agree with (although I see you've noted one of them as something you don't like either) is two week collections (which are just disgusting) and the fact that although the people recycle themselves, council tax is still climbing faster than inflation!
He's taking the time to answer questions that he doesn't have to and in the process getting **** from people like you.
Yeah his attitude sucks
yeah it does, he's answering my question but seems to have no concept of the fact he is simply supplying the service of removing the rubish from my property which I could do for next to nothing as I drive past the council tip on the way to work. The sttitude is totally inflexible and in any private sector work would never last the phrase 'the customer is always right' wasn't coined by mistake, it may not be gospel but it would be a start.
I'm not interested in your money saving and profitering i'm interested in getting the service I require and what I require is not a garden full of over sized bins! I never asked for a cheaper service I just asked for one that was a fair price and customer focussed.
urm hes giving us some decent feedback, good attitude etc and constructive, you on the other hand have gone off my origional topic.
Money saving etc will always be on the agendy in public services, its not his fault.
I dont think the bins are that bad, at home its a fortnightly collection with big plastic box for glass and tins/cans, then a sack thing for cardboard and plastic, then a wheelie bin for garden waste and the normal green wheelie bin for the rest, we manage fine with them.
Its at uni where we dont have the recycling(it just wouldnt work here tbh), my problem was that i was fined and then taken to court etc because someone filled my bin and i put the bag out next to the bin on collection day, which was infact a first time 'offense', so why do i now owe over 5x as much as the origional fine and have a criminal record, I didnt even receive my court summons, im fairly sure if id gone i would have got off fine.
alex if you bothered reading all his posts you would see that yes you could go and drive down to the tip, but if everyone did that there would have to be some sort of payment scheme due to landfilling things enforced by the EU, you would then have to sort the rubbish out yourself, or you would be charged for it to be done for you, since if everyone did this it would become a big task.. And is your local tip a landfill site? I didnt think it would be, you see everything that is deemed none recyclable would have to go to landfill, and rubbish doesnt move itself.
Money saving etc will always be on the agendy in public services, its not his fault.
I dont think the bins are that bad, at home its a fortnightly collection with big plastic box for glass and tins/cans, then a sack thing for cardboard and plastic, then a wheelie bin for garden waste and the normal green wheelie bin for the rest, we manage fine with them.
Its at uni where we dont have the recycling(it just wouldnt work here tbh), my problem was that i was fined and then taken to court etc because someone filled my bin and i put the bag out next to the bin on collection day, which was infact a first time 'offense', so why do i now owe over 5x as much as the origional fine and have a criminal record, I didnt even receive my court summons, im fairly sure if id gone i would have got off fine.
alex if you bothered reading all his posts you would see that yes you could go and drive down to the tip, but if everyone did that there would have to be some sort of payment scheme due to landfilling things enforced by the EU, you would then have to sort the rubbish out yourself, or you would be charged for it to be done for you, since if everyone did this it would become a big task.. And is your local tip a landfill site? I didnt think it would be, you see everything that is deemed none recyclable would have to go to landfill, and rubbish doesnt move itself.
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Your local tip is not landfill it is a transfer station, which then moves it to landfill on your behalf.
So the future could be those who wish to go to the tip would need to que to get in, pay a charge for normal refuse and a charge for recycling, which would include a handling fee, a fee to transport it to landfill and a fee to put it in the landfill. Hence in my earlier post if you know someone who owns a business and pays for it ask how much they pay, I think from hand a 240l wheelie bin is £20 a lift from the commercial people here.
Or you go direct to landfill, meaning you have to drive over tonnes of month old rotting waste in your vehicle to place in in the correct place and just pay a landfill charge. If you dont want to drive over the waste you will have to pay someone to do it for you.
Council tax is also so diffuculy of the 100% of Council Tax I pay here we receive 6% the rest goes to the Police and the County Council.
Telescopi my cost breakdown was for the year offering a weekly collection just seen how it comes accross.
a1ex2001 they must give you an option not to have the garden bin? You can always take it to the tip? The only authority here that offers a free garden waste service costs the County Council £1.3m a year, we charge for ours at £65 for the year.
So the future could be those who wish to go to the tip would need to que to get in, pay a charge for normal refuse and a charge for recycling, which would include a handling fee, a fee to transport it to landfill and a fee to put it in the landfill. Hence in my earlier post if you know someone who owns a business and pays for it ask how much they pay, I think from hand a 240l wheelie bin is £20 a lift from the commercial people here.
Or you go direct to landfill, meaning you have to drive over tonnes of month old rotting waste in your vehicle to place in in the correct place and just pay a landfill charge. If you dont want to drive over the waste you will have to pay someone to do it for you.
Council tax is also so diffuculy of the 100% of Council Tax I pay here we receive 6% the rest goes to the Police and the County Council.
Telescopi my cost breakdown was for the year offering a weekly collection just seen how it comes accross.
a1ex2001 they must give you an option not to have the garden bin? You can always take it to the tip? The only authority here that offers a free garden waste service costs the County Council £1.3m a year, we charge for ours at £65 for the year.