Covance, anyone?

Glaucus · 11 May 2006 at 13:43

basmic said:
I'm not trying to slam you here.

But I could never participate in those experiments, knowing that animals have suffered in such ways I have just seen.

then don't use any modern medicines, cosmetics, or pretty much anything else.

Zip · 11 May 2006 at 13:45

pyro said:
Ug Ug

Why would they test a placebo

They test the placeibo aswell to make sure its not just a placeibo effect that the people with the real drugs are having

Phantom · 11 May 2006 at 13:47

pyro said:
Why would they test a placebo

perhaps my wording was inaccurate. i meant as a control drug. if the was no reaction using the real drug then the results would be similiar to the dummy one.

Messiah Khan · 11 May 2006 at 14:00

basmic said:
I'm not trying to slam you here.

But I could never participate in those experiments, knowing that animals have suffered in such ways I have just seen.

So how would drugs be tested if you shouldn't use animals or humans :confused:

nikebee · 11 May 2006 at 14:04

basmic said:
First result on: Google.

http://www.buav.org/covance/

just looked at the pictures and read half of that website... utterly disgusting and shocking... you hear of these things but seeing them is terrible, i dont even want to think about watching the videos

basmic · 11 May 2006 at 14:30

pyro said:
Fair enough dude, it's a neccesity though, if we could created drugs that could be tested 100% on computer then sure, but till then...

Fair enough. But I'm just not up for animal cruelty.

vaultingSlinky said:
fair enough. But if you dont like animal testing, boycott medicines etc?

Believe it or not, I'm against those boycotters - purely because they go about it the wrong way, IMO.

At the end of the day, I'd have rather lived with not knowing about that website.

tedaC · 11 May 2006 at 14:39

I cant see why people would put thier health at risk just for a couple of hundered quid

HumanShield · 11 May 2006 at 14:43

a friend of mine did it in leeds a couple of years ago. spent a week there, and had to go back a couple of times after. then they gave him a grand. He used the time to study, and aparently they have things like big tvs, ps2s etc.

He had no side affects by the way, completely normal!

basmic · 11 May 2006 at 14:49

Out of interest, why not test on prisoners and immigrants with a criminal likelihood?

pyro · 11 May 2006 at 14:50

HumanShield said:
a friend of mine did it in leeds a couple of years ago. spent a week there, and had to go back a couple of times after. then they gave him a grand. He used the time to study, and aparently they have things like big tvs, ps2s etc.

He had no side affects by the way, completely normal!

Yeah that's the one in Leeds, I am thinking that if I spend 9 days there, not only will I study, but they will give me around £1800! That's enough to go skydiving

By the way do they tell you what sort of drugs you are getting? i.e. are they gonna say that this drug when it comes out it will treat such and such things.

pyro · 11 May 2006 at 14:51

basmic said:
Out of interest, why not test on prisoners and immigrants with a criminal likelihood?

I assume you mean forcing them, in which case it would be a breach of their human rights, surely.

G|mp · 11 May 2006 at 14:51

basmic said:
Out of interest, why not test on prisoners and immigrants with a criminal likelihood?

Far too much of a good idea to ever be implemented

Glaucus · 11 May 2006 at 14:52

basmic said:
Out of interest, why not test on prisoners and immigrants with a criminal likelihood?

Yeh right thats a sensible option :rolleyes:

If you don't like testing on animals, then volunteer yourself in there place. Its the only alternative. Guess not, because animal rights people wouldn't sacrafice themselfs.

There is no alternative so accept it, or go crawl into a cave and refuse any medical assistance as well as a lot of other things.

basmic · 11 May 2006 at 14:54

pyro said:
I assume you mean forcing them, in which case it would be a breach of their human rights, surely.

At the end of the day, they're worthless to the society when banged in prison, or even in home - either one, they're likely to be sponging from our society.

So why not get something back from them? Chances are, many prisoners use drugs and substances anyway.

pyro · 11 May 2006 at 14:58

basmic said:
At the end of the day, they're worthless to the society when banged in prison, or even in home - either one, they're likely to be sponging from our society.

So why not get something back from them? Chances are, many prisoners use drugs and substances anyway.

Because you can't force them to do something that could potentially harm them, it's just not right dude. If they agree to be tested for a lesser sentence or some economical gain then alright but not without their agreement.

Zip · 11 May 2006 at 14:58

basmic said:
At the end of the day, they're worthless to the society when banged in prison, or even in home - either one, they're likely to be sponging from our society.

So why not get something back from them? Chances are, many prisoners use drugs and substances anyway.

Why? Whats the point of using criminals?

They should use captured terrorists instead

That will make wanna be terrorists think twice

Can, worms, open, everywhere

Edit: there is a little bit of seriousness about this post

Cookie-Monster · 11 May 2006 at 14:59

hey, how about use babies, they cant complain, you can fit more of them into a testing centre and if they die it helps to stop overcrowding, hell most of them will grow up into spongers so it just stops the problem at source.