COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

[Tykey]

About the vaccine, my mum (who's 75) had a booster last spring, my brother and i didn't. My brother contracted covid in august, me and my mum caught it off him. My mums symptoms were very mild, just a slight headache/feeling a bit rough for half a day. My brother and i came down with it a lot worse, we were gazumped for about a week.

Tl;dr vaccines are effective.

 

[Lean]

Tl;dr vaccines are effective.

For some.

My son,19 when he was coerced into taking a vaccine at uni. Now 21, his body is attacking itself. Arthritis in both knees atm. Symptoms started weeks after his one and only injection. Hopefully it stays in those joints. Gone from a sportsman to a kid who has to go through his first PIP "interview" next month. Interview on the second floor, lift won't work, "How did you get up the stairs"
They, our government, know covid isn't particularly harmful to younger, healthier people(below 50 let's say) but they pushed the "vaccine", that doesn't stop you getting or passing covid, like the local drug dealer. How can you guys in this thread defend our response to covid, knowing that the people in charge were advocating for children, babies, to be injected with something they never needed. How do you defend people being mandated (in all but name) into taking a procedure they didn't want to keep their jobs? I understand some of you were, are fearful but surely now you can see this government's responses were in the main wrong. Some here will say hindsight is a wonderful thing, yes it is. It should mean the old trope of "lessons learnt" will be easily to implemented. But reading this thread I feel some of you are too far gone to be able to move forward.
Anyway off for a walk
Good luck.

 

[Tykey]

For some.

My son,19 when he was coerced into taking a vaccine at uni. Now 21, his body is attacking itself. Arthritis in both knees atm. Symptoms started weeks after his one and only injection. Hopefully it stays in those joints. Gone from a sportsman to a kid who has to go through his first PIP "interview" next month. Interview on the second floor, lift won't work, "How did you get up the stairs"
They, our government, know covid isn't particularly harmful to younger, healthier people(below 50 let's say) but they pushed the "vaccine", that doesn't stop you getting or passing covid, like the local drug dealer. How can you guys in this thread defend our response to covid, knowing that the people in charge were advocating for children, babies, to be injected with something they never needed. How do you defend people being mandated (in all but name) into taking a procedure they didn't want to keep their jobs? I understand some of you were, are fearful but surely now you can see this government's responses were in the main wrong. Some here will say hindsight is a wonderful thing, yes it is. It should mean the old trope of "lessons learnt" will be easily to implemented. But reading this thread I feel some of you are too far gone to be able to move forward.
Anyway off for a walk
Good luck.

I'm sorry to hear about your sons health problems. How do you know the vaccine caused this?

 

[Hagar]

Nobody knew if the virus from China was an out and out killer or whether like other respiratory diseases it killed a few with the majority having it easier or no symptoms at all.

It did not come with an instruction leaflet and when we had a thousand deaths a day people were rightly concerned about it and reducing the risk to others in their workplace, school, university.

There are plenty of things to blame but effective vaccination is not one of them.

 

[Lean]

I'm sorry to hear about your sons health problems. How do you know the vaccine caused this?

We dont. The first two questions his consultant ask were. Have you had covid? Answer- Not that I'm aware of. Have you had the covid vaccine? Yes. The questions then focussed on the timeline of the vaccine and symptoms. I'll put 2+2 together...
Tbh we'll leave it there.

 

[platinum87]

How can you guys in this thread defend our response to covid, knowing that the people in charge were advocating for children, babies, to be injected with something they never needed. How do you defend people being mandated (in all but name) into taking a procedure they didn't want to keep their jobs?

Its a mix of fear and authoritarian ideology.

 

[Broken Hope]

You can be as anti vax as you want, but can you honestly say without the vaccines we'd be living life as openly as we are? Even with covid still being around us life is pretty much normal, it isn't causing thousands of deaths a day or causing the NHS to crumble.

If we could do a do-over of the pandemic with all we know now, could we have made some different choices? Probably, but it was a new virus that we knew very little about, we made the best choices at the time. Considering I think over 70% of the world population had the vaccine, we're hardly an outlier.

The only issue is now is that all the covid anti vax BS has now spilled over to other vaccines and now people aren't getting their measles vaccines etc which will cause bigger problems.

 

[UTT]

You can be as anti vax as you want, but can you honestly say without the vaccines we'd be living life as openly as we are? Even with covid still being around us life is pretty much normal, it isn't causing thousands of deaths a day or causing the NHS to crumble.

If we could do a do-over of the pandemic with all we know now, could we have made some different choices? Probably, but it was a new virus that we knew very little about, we made the best choices at the time. Considering I think over 70% of the world population had the vaccine, we're hardly an outlier.

The only issue is now is that all the covid anti vax BS has now spilled over to other vaccines and now people aren't getting their measles vaccines etc which will cause bigger problems.

It wasn't causing thousands of deaths a day before the vax and the NHS is in a permanent state of crumbling, how many doctors and consultants are striking right now?

Context is everything, half a million people die every year on average so when the beeb were doing the daily death scaremongering numbers of X there were already over a 1000 anyway

 

[SexyGreyFox]

About the vaccine, my mum (who's 75) had a booster last spring, my brother and i didn't. My brother contracted covid in august, me and my mum caught it off him. My mums symptoms were very mild, just a slight headache/feeling a bit rough for half a day. My brother and i came down with it a lot worse, we were gazumped for about a week.

Tl;dr vaccines are effective.

People are different, I 100% believe for me with many comorbidities and taking 14 tablets a day to keep me alive that they have worked.

It wasn't causing thousands of deaths a day before the vax and the NHS is in a permanent state of crumbling, how many doctors and consultants are striking right now?

Context is everything, half a million people die every year on average so when the beeb were doing the daily death scaremongering numbers of X there were already over a 1000 anyway

When you witnessed a full mortuary at the hospital and pharmacy fridges being emptied to put RIP patients in you knew something wasn't right.
When I took a phone call from a Nurse who had run out of her job because she had lined up 9 RIP Covid patients that morning and couldn't get them to the Mortuary because there was no room you knew it wasn't good.
You sit in your cozy ivory tower reading your conspiracy twaddle.

 

[Sankari]

It wasn't causing thousands of deaths a day before the vax

Not thousands, but bad enough. At its peak, COVID was killing >1,000 people a day in the UK.

The pandemic pushed cumulative excess deaths to a staggering +26% in 2020, and that's just for England and Wales.

 

[Freefaller]

Not thousands, but bad enough. At its peak, COVID was killing >1,000 people a day in the UK.

The pandemic pushed cumulative excess deaths to a staggering +26% in 2020, and that's just for England and Wales.

Was it actually or the co-morbidities that the people that caught covid? I think it's fair to say that covid added complications and caused indirect deaths.

Get the vaccine.

You shouldn't be giving medical advice on the forum by the way.

 

[Werewolf]

It wasn't causing thousands of deaths a day before the vax and the NHS is in a permanent state of crumbling, how many doctors and consultants are striking right now?

Context is everything, half a million people die every year on average so when the beeb were doing the daily death scaremongering numbers of X there were already over a 1000 anyway

It's really weird how if covid basically made no difference to the number of people dying, as sexygreyfox says hospital mortuaries were overflowing.

Undertakers were stacking bodies on temporary shelving in converted refrigerated trailers, and that was happening all over, if it was "the normal levels" of death they'd not have been using emergency measures that were both far cheaper, more efficient, and very importantly more respectful of the dead.
Normally you only see a hospital mortuary overflowing if there is something like a plane crash or catastrophic road crash, and only for however long it takes to shift the bodies to other facilities, I can't think of any time in my life where it was happening all over and even the undertakers were running out of room, as normally undertakers facilities are fairly underused with any "surge" in demand being dealt with by shuffling bodies between branches if needed/storage facilities, this wasn't possible back in 2020 because the numbers were so much higher than the norm and it was happening all over the place so you couldn't shift a body from one branch to another or ask another company in the same town if you could borrow some space for a few days.

 

[Broken Hope]

Was it actually or the co-morbidities that the people that caught covid? I think it's fair to say that covid added complications and caused indirect deaths.



You shouldn't be giving medical advice on the forum by the way.

If those people with the co-morbidities would have lived another 5, 10, 15 or even longer years and having covid killed them then I think you can blame it on covid and not their co-morbidities, considering lots of the co-morbidities are conditions that people generally live a long time with such as diabetes and COPD.

 

[ltron]

If those people with the co-morbidities would have lived another 5, 10, 15 or even longer years and having covid killed them then I think you can blame it on covid and not their co-morbidities, considering lots of the co-morbidities are conditions that people generally live a long time with such as diabetes and COPD.

Yes, no one said 'died with..' for any other illness or disease before COVID, it really annoys me and I believe it was a way for the government to avoid doing their job properly and taking the pandemic seriously; it was a deflection technique. Co-morbidities are extremely common and your life shouldn't be worth less just because you have one.

Imagine someone saying you died with cancer or even that you died with the flu just because you have a common condition that certainly isn't going to kill you tomorrow (which may come as a shock to the tabloids).

 

[Freefaller]

If those people with the co-morbidities would have lived another 5, 10, 15 or even longer years and having covid killed them then I think you can blame it on covid and not their co-morbidities, considering lots of the co-morbidities are conditions that people generally live a long time with such as diabetes and COPD.

That's probably a fair assumption but we'll never know for sure.

I'm not suggesting this didn't contribute to it and it's clear there was an uplift in deaths during covid, but this is no different to any disease that our bodies aren't used to dealing with.

 

[Rroff]

Yes, no one said 'died with..' for any other illness or disease before COVID, it really annoys me and I believe it was a way for the government to avoid doing their job properly and taking the pandemic seriously; it was a deflection technique. Co-morbidities are extremely common and your life shouldn't be worth less just because you have one.

Imagine someone saying you died with cancer or even that you died with the flu just because you have a common condition that certainly isn't going to kill you tomorrow (which may come as a shock to the tabloids).

It is standard procedure - the for example "deaths involving flu and pneumonia" just people haven't seen it this way before.

 

[Freefaller]

Yes, no one said 'died with..' for any other illness or disease before COVID, it really annoys me and I believe it was a way for the government to avoid doing their job properly and taking the pandemic seriously; it was a deflection technique. Co-morbidities are extremely common and your life shouldn't be worth less just because you have one.

Imagine someone saying you died with cancer or even that you died with the flu just because you have a common condition that certainly isn't going to kill you tomorrow (which may come as a shock to the tabloids).

Actually many people I knew who had cancer died because their bodies were destroyed by cancer but it was pneumonia or another issue that took their lives. The cancer was the major contributor however but they may well have survived - we just don't know.

Once your body gets beaten to a pulp if it's not given time to recover the obviously it's going to be harder if it's still getting a beating.

No one is denying that covid wasn't unpleasant and can cause issues but it's not as if it's ebola or something similar. For the majority of the world it's not been as much of a scare story as the media portrayed. When you scale up the numbers globally and sex it up, then of course it looks like a world ending event. But there's been far too much Hollywood around this in my opinion.

 

[Broken Hope]

With how lax people were with Covid and all the conspiracy theories around it be glad it wasn't something more serious such as ebola or we would have been really screwed.

 

[Freefaller]

With how lax people were with Covid and all the conspiracy theories around it be glad it wasn't something more serious such as ebola or we would have been really screwed.

I think had it been more serious people would have taken it more seriously. I also think the media and government did an awful and disingenuous job at communicating it.

 

[movingtables]

so I have covid for the second time (first time 2020).
I felt off/rough since Thursday (5/10/23).
No sore throat, bit of sneezing and coughing but not excessive.
did a test this morning and confirmed positive.
main symptoms are feeling very heady and a low grade fever that's
controlled by nurofen and paracetamol.
feel bothered by it all but I've had worse colds/flu over the years.