COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

tom_e said:
The point is though that is by no means proper testing, if that is indeed what they did when picking who had the meds and who didn't. If you're cherry picking and only giving to people with a reduced chance of issues because they're "healthy" then your data is fundamentally flawed from the outset.
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Good point
 
tom_e said:
The point is though that is by no means proper testing, if that is indeed what they did when picking who had the meds and who didn't. If you're cherry picking and only giving to people with a reduced chance of issues because they're "healthy" then your data is fundamentally flawed from the outset.
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Although that report is about a single contractor out of 153 that handled a bit over 2% of the trial participants (1000 out of 44000). It does raise some questions about oversight but there really isn't anything pointing to this being a systemic problem across the whole trial.

Besides, trial data is all very well, but it's pretty irrelevant after you've given a drug to a hundreds of millions of people. The data that matters now is the real world data.
 
I never got the vaccine, for me there was a strong artificial push for everyone to get vaccinated. Way too much propaganda, way too many idiots interested in other peoples medical information and wanting something new and experimental to be pushed onto the whole population even against their consent. The whole thing became instantly policital.
Yes the vaccine was safety tested and probably is safer, much safer than COVID itself but there isn't any long term data, on COVID vaccines or COVID itself that's the reality, we aren't capable of knowing this yet. What something says on paper is usually different to reality. Should we in 10+ years have an outbreak of another virus in another country it's probably easy to deploy fast vaccination against the offender compared to traditionally.

Most people I know got the vaccine without any side effects or issues, my sister a nurse had chest pains caused by the vaccine and stayed overnight in hospital. She was told not to get the second shot. The problem is a lot of people are looking for any excuse to discredit or attack these vaccines like they want them to fail. Some stories you cannot tell if are true or some idiot trying to discourage others who could benefit from the vaccine.

I actually did get COVID back 2021 Christmas, I used *early treatment - horse dewormer* which worked really well for me. I wrote a review on COVID during this and what it actually felt like. What's interesting is in November 2019 before COVID was "a thing" I had something very similar that dragged on over a week so did many others but we all said it was a bug and didn't think anything of it.

Tony Williams said:
I'm writing a review on COVID-19 the new Omicron variant 2021. I received this virus I would say last Wednesday/Thursday. The symptoms start out very mild and there was a lot of flip flopping where you feel ill and you may think it's because you never slept properly the night before and then you're fine, the next morning they come back worse then disappear again so it can mislead you into thinking it's not COVID you have but instead tiredness or something else. I didn't even get the classic COVID symptoms. I would say Saturday 18/12/21 which was 3-4 days in the symptoms were at thier very worst and I started *horsey horse dewormer* early treatment which worked wonders for me.

I didn't really get much of a cough, I did lose some sense of taste which was replaced with a metallic taste. My main symptoms were (these are Omicron specific it appears)

* Lower back pain, possible kidney inflammation?
* Cold feeling joints in the legs, feet.
* Restless leg syndrome.
* Sweating to a point where my bed was a swimming pool.
* Appetite suppression, weight loss
* Dehydration (drink plenty of water)

I started early treatment (self medicated) which pretty much ended most of my symptoms that Saturday! I did still feel abit unwell, and had the odd pain in my lower back come on occasionally still but Saturday upto today has been an easy cruise and I do believe early treatment works. I'm also unvaccinated too.

Protocol used
12mg ****
50mg Zinc /day
Vitamin D (forget the dose)
500mg **** days
9mg Melatonin/night

Use a massager on any lower back pain, you can even lay ontop of it for 15+ minutes and it tends to get rid of it till it comes back next time.

I'm currently one week in and feeling like it's lifting completely now, I still have cancelled Christmas to be extra safe not to give it to my family.

For me I was expecting COVID to have a really bad body load, like when you have food poisoning and you feel awful like inside your body, you stomach, all feels in bits. COVID was pretty smooth for me. My only honest concern is the kidney / lower back pain could be nothing or serious.

Takes me forever to add kgs to my weight, only a week to lose 6-8kg! How the hell does that work?! It's probably mostly water weight so I'll hopefully get it back up again. Not exactly the end of the world.
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Hopefully the worst of this wave is over, a lot of people off work atm.

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Tony Williams said:
I wrote a review on COVID during this and what it actually felt like.
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I never really thought about the kidneys before reading your post but for days 2 and 3 when I had it with the whole body aches I especially had lower back aches which were probably kidney inflammation :( made lying in bed very unpleasant but fortunately went away by day 4.

I'm still feeling lingering effects of COVID nearly a year on - some of it has taken many months to identify the patterns.
 
Rroff said:
I never really thought about the kidneys before reading your post but for days 2 and 3 when I had it with the whole body aches I especially had lower back aches which were probably kidney inflammation :( made lying in bed very unpleasant but fortunately went away by day 4.

I'm still feeling lingering effects of COVID nearly a year on - some of it has taken many months to identify the patterns.
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As someone with CKD my consultant has been quite insistant on me having the vaccine at every opportunity.
Getting another one tomorrow, along with the flu jab.
 
Rroff said:
I never really thought about the kidneys before reading your post but for days 2 and 3 when I had it with the whole body aches I especially had lower back aches which were probably kidney inflammation :( made lying in bed very unpleasant but fortunately went away by day 4.

I'm still feeling lingering effects of COVID nearly a year on - some of it has taken many months to identify the patterns.
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What are your long COVID symptoms? Only heard it being mostly fatigue and lack of smell, it's kinda bizzare people still aren't 100% a year later.
 
Tony Williams said:
What are your long COVID symptoms? Only heard it being mostly fatigue and lack of smell, it's kinda bizzare people still aren't 100% a year later.
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It got my digestive system pretty good, much worse than the sore throat and other classic symptoms which were only bad really for 2 days, that is still not 100% months on.

I've noticed over this year I seem to be going through cycles of sleeping well and feeling healthy, then days of poor sleep and almost pre-diabetes like symptoms which I'm pretty sure is due to COVID.

Took 3 months for my sense of smell to return to normal.
 
My asthma has certainly got worse since I caught covid in March 2020 and July 2021. There were no test centres within 45 miles just before the first lockdown but had antibody test done a few months after and it was confirmed that way.

I'm on a stronger preventer, an additional preventer and now have a steroids card.

Never had my chest scanned at all. May ask to get this done.
 
Mr Jack said:
There needs to be strong legislation regarding elected officials use of these messaging systems enacted as soon as possible.
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Where I work absolutely hates WhatsApp but they've more or less stopped fighting it - simple truth is it is the most convenient way to get everyone on the same page and people just aren't happy installing work software on their personal phones. Bit of a double edged sword though as it can give less scrupulous managers more reach into people's lives outside of work.
 
Mr Jack said:
There needs to be strong legislation regarding elected officials use of these messaging systems enacted as soon as possible.
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There seems to be a lot of laissez faire north of the border in keeping records for anything. Ferries, education and trying to convict the ex first minister in court.
 
Rroff said:
Where I work absolutely hates WhatsApp but they've more or less stopped fighting it - simple truth is it is the most convenient way to get everyone on the same page and people just aren't happy installing work software on their personal phones
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Oh, I understand the advantages and why they use it, but the communications of elected officials should be recordable, recorded, and accessible after the fact. I don't think it's beyond the wit of man to preserve the former without harming the latter.

Hagar said:
There seems to be a lot of laissez faire north of the border in keeping records for anything. Ferries, education and trying to convict the ex first minister in court.
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Given Boris, etc. I don't think we can call this a North of the Border problem.
 
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