COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

Colonel_Klinck · 22 Nov 2023 at 19:30

Minstadave said:
Considering flu can polish off 10s of thousands a year in the UK with a widespread vaccination program of the vulnerable even "just flu" is pretty bad in an unprotected population.

But no COVID isn't another variation of flu. Different pathogen, different disease.

The first time I had proper flu I was 14 and on a skiing holiday with my school. I was in bed for 3 days with a bad fever and hallucinations. Holiday ruined :mad:

I had it again when I was 24-ish, it put me in bed for 3 days, terrible sweats, felt like death.

I think I've had it once more in my 30s but it was nowhere near as bad as the first 2. Those first 2 were as far from a cold as it gets.

GIBURROWS strikes me as a bit of a conspiracy fan.

cheesefest · 22 Nov 2023 at 19:42

Tephnos said:
What the past few pages have told me is that we're ****** in a future pandemic. People still can't fathom that preparing for the worst outcome and avoiding it is not a bad thing, vs being unprepared and getting hammered.

People take too many risks with their health and are the first to complain when it bites.

Same applies to snow. People panic and buy loads of tinned soup. Don’t people have food cupboards anymore?

Lean · 22 Nov 2023 at 20:13

This thread is absolutely mental. Barely any mention of the inquiry. There is no contrition from anyone who has given evidence. The KC softballing questions. Lessons learnt will be the final findings. It feels like there hasnt been one direct question. "Why did you recommend vaccinating children?", "What evidence did you use for bubbles?", "Why were people sent back to care homes with the virus?" If you are unwilling to ask the hard questions, how do you learn anything.

Colonel_Klinck · 22 Nov 2023 at 20:17

Lean said:
This thread is absolutely mental. Barely any mention of the inquiry. There is no contrition from anyone who has given evidence. The KC softballing questions. Lessons learnt will be the final findings. It feels like there hasnt been one direct question. "Why did you recommend vaccinating children?", "What evidence did you use for bubbles?", "Why were people sent back to care homes with the virus?" If you are unwilling to ask the hard questions, how do you learn anything.

The problem is its a toothless inquiry. We should have had a full independent public inquiry with real teeth but no way the government were going to allow that.

Rroff · 22 Nov 2023 at 21:59

Lean said:
This thread is absolutely mental. Barely any mention of the inquiry. There is no contrition from anyone who has given evidence. The KC softballing questions. Lessons learnt will be the final findings. It feels like there hasnt been one direct question. "Why did you recommend vaccinating children?", "What evidence did you use for bubbles?", "Why were people sent back to care homes with the virus?" If you are unwilling to ask the hard questions, how do you learn anything.

As Colonel_Klinck said - none of the things which really need to be investigated will be, stuff like the PPE contracts and some of the stuff around vaccinations will get swept under a rug, lessons won't be learnt. But ultimately your position on this seems to be something again - hindsight doesn't change that some things had to be that way, which might be lose lose scenarios when dealing with a novel virus and other approaches without the benefit of hindsight are pants on head stupid even if we'd have gotten away with it this time.

So there isn't really much to talk about here, that hasn't already been said.

SexyGreyFox · 23 Nov 2023 at 00:32

In GIBURROWS defense if I hadn't worked in an hospital and personally knew three people who caught Covid and died a couple of days later I'd perhaps be thinking in conspiracy ways.
Even with my multiple comorbidities and taking 12 tablets in a morning to keep me alive, my 3 bouts of Covid were a baby cold, in fact not that bad.
However I know my jabs turned Covid into a mild form.

the wopster · 23 Nov 2023 at 06:26

Colonel_Klinck said:
GIBURROWS strikes me as a bit of a conspiracy fan.

Of course he is, do you not remember his attitude in the football forum when his beloved Roman was barred from owning Chelsea

Mr Jack · 23 Nov 2023 at 07:42

GIBURROWS said:
A levelled up version of the common cold

Okay. Do you think that's how medics and scientists define the flu?

ci_newman · 23 Nov 2023 at 09:46

cheesefest said:
Same applies to snow. People panic and buy loads of tinned soup. Don’t people have food cupboards anymore?

The short answer is no.

With a family of four, we stock all of our cupboards with food at the weekend but three meals a day for four people means our cupboards are usually empty by the time the next shop is done. (All meals are prepared at home including lunches).

GGizmo · 23 Nov 2023 at 11:11

I tried to stand up for a minute last week with oxygen. I was doing ok until I sat back down and my heart rate jumped 25 points on the oximeter (it went to 124bpm), and I got a head rush.

Now my resting heart rate is unusually low for me, in the 60s and 70s. Apparently this is a normal process during long covid for some people.

My only big issue at the moment is when I go to the toilet for number 2's my heart rate will start climbing. Eventually it comes down a bit. But it makes me shake. Apparently it the vagus nerve causing my blood pressure to drop so the heart rate increases

I've never experienced anything like long covid changing symptoms in my life before.

Hagar · 23 Nov 2023 at 14:24

BowdonUK said:
My only big issue at the moment is when I go to the toilet for number 2's my heart rate will start climbing. Eventually it comes down a bit. But it makes me shake. Apparently it the vagus nerve causing my blood pressure to drop so the heart rate increases

Nothing like that but I find I need to blow my nose afterwards (probably not related).

Sorry to hear of your ongoing symptoms.

Colonel_Klinck · 23 Nov 2023 at 16:39

BowdonUK said:
I tried to stand up for a minute last week with oxygen. I was doing ok until I sat back down and my heart rate jumped 25 points on the oximeter (it went to 124bpm), and I got a head rush.

Now my resting heart rate is unusually low for me, in the 60s and 70s. Apparently this is a normal process during long covid for some people.

My only big issue at the moment is when I go to the toilet for number 2's my heart rate will start climbing. Eventually it comes down a bit. But it makes me shake. Apparently it the vagus nerve causing my blood pressure to drop so the heart rate increases

I've never experienced anything like long covid changing symptoms in my life before.

I can suffer from spontaneous tachycardia and one of the ways you can get it to stop and the heart to return to normal is by bearing down like you're having a poop. It stimulates the vegus nerve. sounds like what you are suffering from but in reverse. Hope it sorts itself out soon for you.

Freefaller · 23 Nov 2023 at 17:10

Lots of covid going around my professional and social networks but no one seems to care, because none of them feel rough. The only reason they know is that their work had some tests available so they did it for ***** and giggles.

There seems to be a lot of asymptomatic people at the moment so that may well cause a spike. I guess also people get ill around winter too.

I'm sure I was exposed to it as I go to the office a lot and commute. I'm sorry to say I haven't tested myself yet, but as of yet I don't appear to have any symptoms and if anything I'm feeling in top form.

I guess if the gov thought covid was still dangerous there would be freely available tests. For some of you who are vulnerable I can imagine this being infuriating that people are spreading stuff (not just covid) without realising.

GGizmo · 23 Nov 2023 at 17:23

Colonel_Klinck said:
I can suffer from spontaneous tachycardia and one of the ways you can get it to stop and the heart to return to normal is by bearing down like you're having a poop. It stimulates the vegus nerve. sounds like what you are suffering from but in reverse. Hope it sorts itself out soon for you.

I found eating dark chocolate helps. There is something that relaxes the nerve. But then another ingredient stimulates it.

A catch 22 situation.

Paracelsus · 23 Nov 2023 at 17:27

Caught it for the (I think) 2nd time last week. A stuffy nose for a few days, then generally just feeling a bit 'unwell' for a few days after that. Exactly like a cold. First time was headache, fever, sleeping loads for 2 days, then not much after that.

Sounds rough @BowdonUK , hope it improves man.

Rroff · 23 Nov 2023 at 17:33

Freefaller said:
Lots of covid going around my professional and social networks but no one seems to care, because none of them feel rough. The only reason they know is that their work had some tests available so they did it for ***** and giggles.

There seems to be a lot of asymptomatic people at the moment so that may well cause a spike. I guess also people get ill around winter too.

I'm sure I was exposed to it as I go to the office a lot and commute. I'm sorry to say I haven't tested myself yet, but as of yet I don't appear to have any symptoms and if anything I'm feeling in top form.

I guess if the gov thought covid was still dangerous there would be freely available tests. For some of you who are vulnerable I can imagine this being infuriating that people are spreading stuff (not just covid) without realising.

Seeing lots of colds, some people have done tests but also these are typically presenting with a very runny nose/bunged up sinus which so far hasn't been common with COVID, but weirdly we've not had it go around at work yet proper like it used to - several individuals have come in with them and a small amount of spread within one of the close knit teams but so far nothing like it used to where within days everyone would be coughing and sniffing.

Would be hilariously sad if the residual COVID measures - a bit more relaxed policy towards people having a couple of days off just in case it is COVID still, people still making some effort to distance if unwell, sporadic mask wearing by those with a cold and a bit of wiping down touchpoints - was enough to tame the common cold

my brothers work where no one cares it has gone all around like wildfire. I'm amazed I've seemingly dodged it so far, though did feel a bit rough last weekend but didn't come out with anything so maybe had it very mild.

Paracelsus said:
Caught it for the (I think) 2nd time last week. A stuffy nose for a few days, then generally just feeling a bit 'unwell' for a few days after that. Exactly like a cold. First time was headache, fever, sleeping loads for 2 days, then not much after that.

Sounds rough @BowdonUK , hope it improves man.

I'd err on it being a cold, the COVID variants going around at the moment more typically result in a headache/general aches and fatigue with sore throat and altered or loss of sense of smell quite common, though some of the BA.2 variants especially BA.2.86 a runny or congested nose is a bit more common.

Freefaller · 23 Nov 2023 at 17:37

Rroff said:
Seeing lots of colds, some people have done tests but also these are typically presenting with a very runny nose/bunged up sinus which so far hasn't been common with COVID, but weirdly we've not had it go around at work yet proper like it used to - several individuals have come in with them and a small amount of spread within one of the close knit teams but so far nothing like it used to where within days everyone would be coughing and sniffing.

Would be hilariously sad if the residual COVID measures - a bit more relaxed policy towards people having a couple of days off just in case it is COVID still, people still making some effort to distance if unwell, sporadic mask wearing by those with a cold and a bit of wiping down touchpoints - was enough to tame the common cold my brothers work where no one cares it has gone all around like wildfire. I'm amazed I've seemingly dodged it so far, though did feel a bit rough last weekend but didn't come out with anything so maybe had it very mild.

Yeah no one other than East Asian tourists seem to wear masks in London now.

Rroff · 23 Nov 2023 at 17:40

Freefaller said:
Yeah no one other than East Asian tourists seem to wear masks in London now.

I got a bit distracted what I meant to add to my post, I'm not seeing much COVID going around here surprisingly - lots of colds and enough people still testing and the symptoms less like COVID variants so far to probably rule out COVID.

Freefaller · 23 Nov 2023 at 17:43

Rroff said:
I got a bit distracted what I meant to add to my post, I'm not seeing much COVID going around here surprisingly - lots of colds and enough people still testing and the symptoms less like COVID variants so far to probably rule out COVID.

My wife caught it a few weeks ago. Probably from the kids. But again barely manifested itself. Strange old thing now it seems.

Rroff · 23 Nov 2023 at 17:44

Freefaller said:
My wife caught it a few weeks ago. Probably from the kids. But again barely manifested itself. Strange old thing now it seems.

Hopefully between vaccinations and previous infections more people than not have enough immune training to it now to reduce severity at least for awhile. It is hard to tell what is going on with it at the moment.