COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

Jokester said:
Sweden says Hi!
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Yeah right and Brexit is brilliant :cry:

www.nature.com

Comparing the responses of the UK, Sweden and Denmark to COVID-19 using counterfactual modelling - Scientific Reports

The UK and Sweden have among the worst per-capita COVID-19 mortality in Europe. Sweden stands out for its greater reliance on voluntary, rather than mandatory, control measures. We explore how the timing and effectiveness of control measures in the UK, Sweden and Denmark shaped COVID-19...
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CapitalOne said:
Yeah right and Brexit is brilliant :cry:

www.nature.com

Comparing the responses of the UK, Sweden and Denmark to COVID-19 using counterfactual modelling - Scientific Reports

The UK and Sweden have among the worst per-capita COVID-19 mortality in Europe. Sweden stands out for its greater reliance on voluntary, rather than mandatory, control measures. We explore how the timing and effectiveness of control measures in the UK, Sweden and Denmark shaped COVID-19...
www.nature.com www.nature.com
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2021 is so old news :cry:
 
tom_e said:
Hancock admitted to watching contagion and taking ideas from it for the vaccine rollout didn't he? If that's not great planning then I don't know what is
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I'm not sure what he is on about anyhow - the government published an NPIs document, mostly backed up with science, which showed no combination of measures which didn't include schools was sufficient short of basically doing a New Zealand.
 
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CapitalOne said:
“Freedom day” was July 2021



Oh and :p
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Yeah sure, SGF would normally now pop up to say how his hospital is still full of people dying of covid even now :o

It's in comparison to pre-pandemic averages.

Here's a report on the cumulative effect up till Feb 2023:
www.spectator.co.uk

Sweden, Covid and 'excess deaths': a look at the data

Pandemics kill people in two ways, said Chris Whitty at the start of the Covid outbreak: directly and indirectly, via disruption.
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Which also highlights that the UK was actually quite middle of the road and not some outrageous outlier that the media might portray.
 
Jokester said:
Yeah sure, SGF would normally now pop up to say how his hospital is still full of people dying of covid even now :o
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I get it. Sweden Sweden Sweden. No other examples. No further argument I’m guessing then.

Just be certain Sweden is the exemplar you think based on your own thoughts rather than a popular short-cut.

eta- or do you have “loads of mates in Sweden who just carried on as normal and it was fine”? I’ve heard that one plenty of times.
 
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As Jokester's link shows the demographics, etc. of Scandinavian countries gives them some advantages in the case of a pandemic like this which can't easily be replicated in the UK and many other countries.
 
Rroff said:
As Jokester's link shows the demographics, etc. of Scandinavian countries gives them some advantages in the case of a pandemic like this which can't easily be replicated in the UK and many other countries.
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ASMR in the ONS compensates for any variations of demographics.
 
Jokester said:
Yeah sure, SGF would normally now pop up to say how his hospital is still full of people dying of covid even now :o

It's in comparison to pre-pandemic averages.

Here's a report on the cumulative effect up till Feb 2023:
www.spectator.co.uk

Sweden, Covid and 'excess deaths': a look at the data

Pandemics kill people in two ways, said Chris Whitty at the start of the Covid outbreak: directly and indirectly, via disruption.
www.spectator.co.uk www.spectator.co.uk

Which also highlights that the UK was actually quite middle of the road and not some outrageous outlier that the media might portray.
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“outrageous outlier…media might portray”…..followed by a Spectator link…..

I wasn’t commenting on the UK being an outlier, more the lazy shorthand you’re using to infer Sweden was amazing with no restrictions.

I know some people were really upset by the Covid ”response“ (90s popsters Right Said Fred for two) but I don’t think any of them were directly or had family impacted by the disease (except 90s popsters Right Said Fred who ended up in ICU IIRC).

By the way, I am all for learning lessons for a more refined response next time, but in my opinion, when a potentially serious new disease arrives, I’m on the side of “hey wait, lets see what this is, exercise caution”. The let it rip response is for morons or the suicidal (in my opinion) until it’s understood.
 
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Why has there been no contrition from anyone giving evidence in the inquiry . They are all steadfast that they were right in all their decisions. Surely even the zealots in this thread know mistakes were made
 
Lean said:
Why has there been no contrition from anyone giving evidence in the inquiry . They are all steadfast that they were right in all their decisions. Surely even the zealots in this thread know mistakes were made
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If you expected contrition from the kippers you were asking for disappointment.

Everyone knew they cocked it up surely?

Zealots? I wouldn’t go that far I’d just use the word “deniers” (dee-nyers not dern-e-ays). Actually that’s not fair, some people do need to realise the world does not revolve around them however.
 
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Lean said:
Why has there been no contrition from anyone giving evidence in the inquiry . They are all steadfast that they were right in all their decisions. Surely even the zealots in this thread know mistakes were made
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You have to at least give Dame Jennie Harries some due after being open about face coverings effectiveness. One of the few in charge that has actually referenced evidence based science at the enquiry.

*probably the only one actually.

 
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Lean said:
Why has there been no contrition from anyone giving evidence in the inquiry . They are all steadfast that they were right in all their decisions. Surely even the zealots in this thread know mistakes were made
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You want a politician to admit they got something wrong? You've more chance of the loch Ness monster knocking on your door with a free COVID jab. It's wall to wall nonsense, blustery and doubling down.
 
Jokester said:
ASMR in the ONS compensates for any variations of demographics.
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There is more to it than just age distribution.

Those near the top of the list in your link like Romania, Latvia, Bulgaria, etc. have >10% 3 generational households while those near the bottom are between 1 and 5%, in countries like Sweden, Denmark, Finland, etc. i.e. the ones near the bottom, more than half of young people have left the parental home by the age of 21, whereas for many of the top ones over half are still living at home at the age of 31. It makes a huge difference as to how exposed vulnerable people are to a disease.
 
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Jokester said:
What like population density? It's not like Sweden is also one of the EU nations with the lowest proportion of people living in rural areas.

Urban-rural Europe - introduction - Statistics Explained

This article is the introductory chapter to Eurostat’s twin publications, Rural Europe and Urban Europe: 2024 editions.
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Even population density isn't the whole story - you also have to take into account culture and social dynamics - a low population density doesn't mean they don't interact a lot, or alternatively they might shun contact.
 
Lean said:
I'm not on Hancocks side, or the other lairs that have tried to pass the blame. Why are you so in favour? When did you decide it was the right thing to do? This country's pandemic plans had no lockdowns in its thinking. Eplain to me after decades of planing why we changed so quickly without any thought to the consequences of what was a kneejerk reaction. Frightened, weak people making descions that have affect us all.
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Sorry, just got in from a silent Disco.
I was in favour because working at the hospital our beds were quickly being taken up by Covid patients and something had to be done.
I can't imagine what it would have been like if we hadn't gone into lockdown and it was quite clear from the numbers that something had to be done and it should have been sooner.


Jokester said:
Yeah sure, SGF would normally now pop up to say how his hospital is still full of people dying of covid even now :o
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What a horrible person you are, we aren't full be we still have patients dying because of Covid.
I didn't think you was like that :(
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
I was in favour because working at the hospital our beds were quickly being taken up by Covid patients and something had to be done.
I can't imagine what it would have been like if we hadn't gone into lockdown and it was quite clear from the numbers that something had to be done and it should have been sooner.
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As I've mentioned before I've 2 cousins as well as colleagues with family working in the local district hospital and at the peak of the pandemic they were nearly overrun - if not for the lockdowns they would have been.

Currently they have 2 COVID patients, neither in due to COVID and no COVID patients in ICU, etc. I might be wrong but IIRC it is ~6 months since they had the last death due to COVID.
 
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