COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

Partner's elderly nan (approaching 100) has got covid again, apparently loads in the care home coming down with it, but apparently and thankfully an extremely mild variant.

I've had something relatively mild for at least the last 10 days brought home by partner, more all over muscle ache and knee ache that the usual long covid symptoms these days, a single LFT test was negative ~5 days ago which isn't the most effective way to test for covid (usually best to test for a few successive days ~3+ days after symptoms). More than anything really annoyed, because I felt like I was gaining some aerobic fitness and stamina on the turbo trainer bike during last month, but this last couple of weeks I've struggled to ride on successive days even at very easy effort. With a bit of luck we will get some dry 15C+ weather soon to start riding outdoors again for the first time since last October.
What's the logic behind testing?
 

Not really surprising..
As we have lived with the virus, now we are accustomed to the whole idea and it is not thought of in the same light. Give it a few years and it will be like talking about the common cold. It's been said that the attention span of society is only as long as the next big thing that grabs the attention.
 
What's the logic behind testing?
If you test positive, it's far more important to hold back on high intensity exercise for a while once you start feeling better, compared to having a cold/flu. Believed to increase risk of long covid, could explain how I ended up with it and still ongoing ~18 months later.
 
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Who’s going to be doing high intensity exercise if they’ve got Covid/cold/flu?
And how does it increase the risk of “long covid” (I really don’t like that phrase).
 
If you test positive, it's far more important to hold back on high intensity exercise for a while once you start feeling better, compared to having a cold/flu. Believed to increase risk of long covid, could explain how I ended up with it and still ongoing ~18 months later.
It may be a factor in feeling worse after getting any virus if you overdo the exercise
 
If you test positive, it's far more important to hold back on high intensity exercise for a while once you start feeling better, compared to having a cold/flu. Believed to increase risk of long covid, could explain how I ended up with it and still ongoing ~18 months later.

Not according to the link above- no difference to risk from flu.
 
I suspect there’s rather a lot of people claiming “long covid” to avoid working and to scrounge benefits, especially the younger generation.
 
Systemic organ damage?

"Other possible serious complications triggered by flu can include inflammation of the heart (myocarditis), brain (encephalitis) or muscle tissues (myositis, rhabdomyolysis), and multi-organ failure (for example, respiratory and kidney failure). Flu virus infection of the respiratory tract can trigger an extreme inflammatory response in the body and can lead to sepsis, the body’s life-threatening response to infection. Flu also can make chronic medical problems worse."
 

"Other possible serious complications triggered by flu can include inflammation of the heart (myocarditis), brain (encephalitis) or muscle tissues (myositis, rhabdomyolysis), and multi-organ failure (for example, respiratory and kidney failure). Flu virus infection of the respiratory tract can trigger an extreme inflammatory response in the body and can lead to sepsis, the body’s life-threatening response to infection. Flu also can make chronic medical problems worse."
So we should all ignore Long COVID/ME then because it happens with the flu too and so it's a non-issue? (no mention of the prevalence of the two viruses from you though and prevalence matters in terms of your risk of developing long term complications).
 
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The most annoying part of this is that some of the people who caught Sars1 had similar issues.

The lab scientists know the mechanisms covid is using and the differences in why some people recover while others struggle


"Other possible serious complications triggered by flu can include inflammation of the heart (myocarditis), brain (encephalitis) or muscle tissues (myositis, rhabdomyolysis), and multi-organ failure (for example, respiratory and kidney failure). Flu virus infection of the respiratory tract can trigger an extreme inflammatory response in the body and can lead to sepsis, the body’s life-threatening response to infection. Flu also can make chronic medical problems worse."
Ok, I'll accept that covid isn't the only one to have systemic organ damage. I think because covid spreads more than flu it's become a bigger issue.

I want there to be a solution to all these problems.

There is an incentive to play this down by governments because they don't want to pay money to sort out the problems.

I was a skeptic of covid at the start, and I'd never heard of people not recovering until I wasn't recovering. I think people say long covid and not covid is because my covid was mild. Yes I needed oxygen for 2 days. But when I came home at the 2 weeks mark I started to get symptoms I didn't have before. Heart rate, blood pressure, blood circulation issues, breathing became worse. I didn't have those symptoms to that severity until after covid.

Whether people want think covid or long covid isn't bad is immaterial. The virus is going to keep causing damage. I think until someone has it or knows someone who has it then I can understand being skeptical. I had never heard of so many people having lasting symptoms before. I thought if covid didn't kill us then we'd recover.

In my own situation when I had pneumonia about 5 years ago and was in hospital for 2 weeks with breathing problems. Once I had the medication after about 4 days my oxygen levels returned to normal.

When I first got covid in December 2020 I had minor oxygen issues and felt light headed at night. But after 5 days I recovered.

The second time I got covid was in July 2022. That lasted for about 4 months. My oxygen was dipping. But I was still managing to move around.

I'd just recovered from that bout only to get it again in December 2023. Oxygen levels down to 70%. Was in hospital and they put me in paxlovid. I came off the oxygen after 2 days. But every time I move around my oxygen drops back in the 70s. If I stay still it'll creep back into the 90s.

It's now been over a year and I still have the oxygen problem (and a high heart rate too). The weird thing is even when I use supplemental oxygen if I move I still go down to the 70s. It just brings me back up quicker.

So far my covid doctor is a joke. Wasn't interested in listening to the symptoms during the first appointment, and isn't engaged at all.

We maybe as well have AI because most doctors are acting like computers. All they are bothered about is reading a chart. If it says there is no problem they give up, even when they can see the person is ill.
 
So we should all ignore Long COVID/ME then because it happens with the flu too and so it's a non-issue? (no mention of the prevalence of the two viruses from you though and prevalence matters in terms of your risk of developing long term complications).


Why are you minimising and trivialising the effects flu?
 
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