COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

Not locking uninfected, or "healthy" people indoors.

As pointed out before quarantine can involve holding healthy people as well as isolating the sick or sometimes both. Sure with this pandemic things have moved on from the past in approach and scale but as per one of the examples I linked before with earlier epidemics/pandemics things have been done like locking down entire residential areas healthy and sick alike etc.
 
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I posted this days ago, and nobody has come forward with any credible sources showing healthy people being "locked down" en masse throughout history. I'd have thought it was plenty of time to be proven wrong.

You would look a lot less silly if you just said this …

“Actually you’re right, I can’t find any examples where healthy people were confined to their homes en masse throughout history, but I believe they helped with the COVID 19 pandemic”

Simple as that l, but maybe you’re too proud to do so?
Name a global pandemic, post modern combustion engines, regular air travel and vital world trade, that was stopped by "just locking up the sick"
 
I posted this days ago, and nobody has come forward with any credible sources showing healthy people being "locked down" en masse throughout history. I'd have thought it was plenty of time to be proven wrong.

You would look a lot less silly if you just said this …

“Actually you’re right, I can’t find any examples where healthy people were confined to their homes en masse throughout history, but I believe they helped with the COVID 19 pandemic”

Simple as that l, but maybe you’re too proud to do so?
From Wikipedia Purposes
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Both preventative and emergency lockdowns can be adopted for similar goals. They may be use for security purposes to reduce the number of people on the street to allow police to conduct rescue missions after natural disasters. They may be used in public health emergencies, such as Ebola and COVID-19, to prevent air-borne diseases from spreading and they may be used as counterinsurgency measures to prevent local populations mixing with insurgents so that governments can conduct military missions against the insurgents.[3] They may also be used in police emergencies, as in school shootings or hostage situations.

In epidemics and pandemics
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Police conversing with people during a lockdown in Benidorm, Spain
Main article: Stay-at-home order
See also: Pandemic prevention § Testing and containment
Lockdowns can limit movements or activities in a community while allowing most organizations to function normally, or limit movements or activities such that only organizations supplying basic needs and services can function normally.[4]

2009 swine flu pandemic
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A lockdown was implemented in Mexico from April 30 to May 5, 2009 in response to the 2009 swine flu pandemic.[5]

COVID-19 pandemic
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Main article: COVID-19 lockdowns
During the COVID-19 pandemic, the term lockdown was used for actions related to mass quarantines or stay-at-home orders.[6] The first lockdown during the pandemic was implemented in Wuhan on January 23, 2020.[7] By early April 2020, 3.9 billion people worldwide were under some form of lockdown—more than half the world's population.[8][9] By late April, around 300 million people were under lockdown in European countries, while around 200 million people were under lockdown in Latin America.[10] Nearly 300 million people, or about 90 per cent of the population, were under some form of lockdown in the United States,[11] and 1.3 billion people have been under lockdown in India.[12]

The lockdown in the Philippines started on 14 March 2020 and is one of the longest and strictest lockdowns with varying levels of community quarantine being imposed on all major islands and cities.[13][14] Similarly the lockdown in South Africa started on 27 March 2020[15] and progressed through various levels. It is also one of the strictest lockdowns in the world with cigarettes and alcohol banned throughout.[16]
 
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2009 swine flu pandemic
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A lockdown was implemented in Mexico from April 30 to May 5, 2009 in response to the 2009 swine flu pandemic.[5]
Finally, there's one.

That's what I was asking for. A real example of healthy people being locked down, pre-Covid (5 day stay at home order). I forget who originally posted, but the comment made out this type of thing was common practice: "this has happened loads of times throughout history".

You've found one and thanks for taking the time to post it. Can we now simply agree that the approach has not happened "loads of times" before, whether you agree with them or not?
 
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Finally, there's one.

That's what I was asking for. A real example of healthy people being locked down, pre-Covid (5 day stay at home order). I forget who originally posted, but the comment made out this type of thing was common practice: "this has happened loads of times throughout history".

You've found one and thanks for taking the time to post it. Can we now simply agree that the approach has not happened "loads of times" before, whether you agree with them or not?
It may have but Google is unindated with covid stories I think you would have to know the name of the pandemic or epidemic specifically.
 
Finally, there's one.


I linked to a listing which includes several cases of locking healthy people in their homes, or largely limiting the movement of healthy people to deal with infectious diseases...

Including stuff like 2003 with SARS where entire residential areas were locked down, 2014 statewide curfews in Liberia to deal with Ebola, etc.
 
Name one that was stopped by doing anything?
I know you like to have proof but do have an open mind to all information good or bad. Covid was really the only true global pandemic from after the war so we only have that information and there is a lot of information to go through which to be honest most people haven't got time to look through.
Have a go at the maths puzzle I mentioned and see how quickly a virus can infect if you just double the previous number 63 times. Then do it with it being done x10 each time.

Phones calculator will only allow 40 operations and that answer is
1,099,511,627,776.
After 63 days the answer would be
9.22337204E+18 according to the calculator.
That could be after 63 days if the infection is immediate but symptoms will take longer to appear in the general public. Now put that first infected person in an international airport and they are there with a thousand people who get infected but jet off home.
And you wonder why they introduced lockdowns
 
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Name one that was stopped by doing anything?
You're the one making the claim locking up healthy people is barbaric and has never happened in human history. you need to provide the evidence.

I even gave you a softball, you could have picked any disease that wasn't particularly communicable. leprosy… or mentally ill CT nuts.

The point is, quarantining has been proven to work. Yes, it would have been nice if we had quarantined the whole of the UK early, but we didn't. It's not the olden times, so there is no practical way to lock down a city or a town, so we got what we got.
 
You're the one making the claim locking up healthy people is barbaric and has never happened in human history. you need to provide the evidence.

I even gave you a softball, you could have picked any disease that wasn't particularly communicable. leprosy… or mentally ill CT nuts.

The point is, quarantining has been proven to work. Yes, it would have been nice if we had quarantined the whole of the UK early, but we didn't. It's not the olden times, so there is no practical way to lock down a city or a town, so we got what we got.
Let's be honest we got caught flat footed with no plan in place.
 
Interesting development with this story hitting MSM, after Fauci flat out denied it.

 
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And you seem somewhat surprised by something that has been known for years that people don't necessarily tell the whole true
What has been known for years? That:

A) People Lie?
B) The United States funded gain of function research in Wuhan and Fauci lied about it under oath?
 
i must admit I thought it was common knowledge they were working on Corona virus... I didn't realise America had denied it tbh... (the NIH funds loads of research all over the world so I had assumed there was a good chance they were involved somewhere as well)

My view is it is possible the virus was an accidental leak from a lab.... but wet markets are also a thing so who knows?.
 
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What has been known for years? That:

A) People Lie?
B) The United States funded gain of function research in Wuhan and Fauci lied about it under oath?
Is my statement not clear enough for you ? A of course. I don't follow American experiments all that closely to be honest.
 
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