COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

[bigmike20vt]

But surely following the arrows on Lidl's floor made all the difference

there was a certain logic to it, trying to keep a flow of people and minimise contact with people. what really cheese me off however are all the captain hindsites out there now, who somehow think that 3 years of study after the fact proves they are right about everything.
the population could not be allowed to starve , we had to get food FFS so things like the 1 way system were made to try to make it as safe as possible during an outbreak that at the time little was known about. the 1 way system was better than having people ramming into each other in a free for all like a black Friday scrum to get some last special offer TV
who were more moronic the people wearing masks and following the rules or the tosspots deliberately licking food in shops, spitting at people and claiming it was all a hoax?.

does no one remember the huge pyres of burning bodies in ..... India I think it was. that is what happens when you let mass crowds of unvaccinated people gather together and there was a genuine fear it could happen here.

 

[tonys]

the AZ vaccine (and the others) did save lies, they are effective and compared to getting COVID they are safe.

the vast vast majority of side effects are minor,.and for those who had major ones, are negligible in number compared to COVID (and some of the side effects are similar to COVID).

here is a thought regarding COVID. maybe they embellished the vaccine a bit because they knew that a certain percentage of people were too daft to actually listen to the intricacies of a hugely beneficial but imperfect vaccine.
so they dumbed it down to try to keep it easy for those people to understand.

also the AZ vaccine was made against the initial variant. again your constant dangerous claims about the vaccine are ignoring that fact.

the AZ vaccine was far more effective over the woohan strain. it isn't anyone's fault that the virus mutated, leaving the vaccine still effective but less so. but it seems some people are incapable.or unwilling to consider things like this instead preferring to go full anti vax

That's why I said earlier for them to keep an open mind. Strange there has been no comments on the little maths puzzle I set but when you point out that you can infect the world in just weeks what's that compared to a concentrated effort to show up a few lies.

 

[Nuttah]

Didn't you see the video?

Or do you need to wait until a newspaper tells you.

What you should really be asking, is why the other newspapers are not telling you this. But that would require a level of critical thinking absent from most folk in this thread.

Aha, that age old argument. Someone doesn't agree with me so they must lack my high level of critical thinking.... Ironicallly enough, on the most part, a term that appears to have been hijacked by idiots trying to convey themselves as intelligent.

 

[Rroff]

That masks work.

Masks work, it is people which is broken in that equation. I worked for years in industries which depended on masks working for these kind of uses or we'd have had 100s of dead or seriously ill people.

Anyone banging on about masks not working are probably part of the reason why masks have not always had the impact they could have with this pandemic and necessitated at times more stringent measures.

Though the government are also to blame, albeit somewhat done to highlight there was a situation for people to concern themselves with, packing 100s of people wearing medical masks into theatres, etc. is entirely stupid and in that context nothing short of high end respirators are useful.

 

[mk1_salami]

Aha, that age old argument. Someone doesn't agree with me so they must lack my high level of critical thinking.... Ironicallly enough, on the most part, a term that appears to have been hijacked by idiots trying to convey themselves as intelligent.

I literally posted a video showing them admit they funded the research at Wuhan. Your reply was that you'd wait for a credible source to spoon feed it to you.

A true genius.

 

[mk1_salami]

Masks work, it is people which is broken in that equation. I worked for years in industries which depended on masks working for these kind of uses or we'd have had 100s of dead or seriously ill people.

Anyone banging on about masks not working are probably part of the reason why masks have not always had the impact they could have with this pandemic and necessitated at times more stringent measures.

Though the government are also to blame, albeit somewhat done to highlight there was a situation for people to concern themselves with, packing 100s of people wearing medical masks into theatres, etc. is entirely stupid and in that context nothing short of high end respirators are useful.

They did nothing to stop the spread of Covid. There have been a few large scale studies showing it, including all sorts of masks.

 

[grudas]

Which one of you owns this

 

[Tephnos]

They did nothing to stop the spread of Covid. There have been a few large scale studies showing it, including all sorts of masks.

If you think rated respirators don't stop viruses then I have no idea how the hell you think they work. I agree that cloth masks do pretty much nothing, and surgical masks don't work well in enclosed spaces without ventilation. However, since you didn't bother to specify any difference in the types of masks available then getting you to understand nuance beyond 'masks don't work' sounds pointless.

 

[Rroff]

They did nothing to stop the spread of Covid. There have been a few large scale studies showing it, including all sorts of masks.

That is largely because people are idiots and far too many refuse to educate themselves on best use. Masks utilised appropriately absolutely can reduce the spread of a disease like this significantly.

 

[loftie]

That is largely because people are idiots and far too many refuse to educate themselves on best use. Masks utilised appropriately absolutely can reduce the spread of a disease like this significantly.

Also a lot of people just did not give a monkeys. The amount of people who wore a mask like a chin strap was ridiculous. I'm not quite at the stage to believe that many people are that dumb just yet.

 

[mk1_salami]

I never wore one with the exception of one hospital visit to the hospice.

If a shop insisted (Sainsbury's springs to mind) I went elsewhere.

 

[tonys]

I literally posted a video showing them admit they funded the research at Wuhan. Your reply was that you'd wait for a credible source to spoon feed it to you.

A true genius.

I think it may have been the twitter and the new york post, that may dissuade seriousness.

 

[tonys]

Which one of you owns this

Was it in Scotland by any chance?

 

[tonys]

I never wore one with the exception of one hospital visit to the hospice.

If a shop insisted (Sainsbury's springs to mind) I went elsewhere.

And why did you wear it only to go to the hospice?

 

[ltron]

They did nothing to stop the spread of Covid. There have been a few large scale studies showing it, including all sorts of masks.

That's factually incorrect (although the quality of the studies on COVID specifically could have been higher), but that sort of thing happens when people have them pulled down around their jaw exposing both their nose and mouth. Did you see how many people wore masks like this? No wonder they claimed they didn't work.

FFP2/3 masks have been used to protect against asbestos, hazardous chemicals and viruses on wards with lots of infected people and they do work when worn correctly otherwise it would have been discovered decades ago.

The use of masks (disposable surgical masks or common masks, including cloth masks) caused a reduction of 21% in the risk of COVID-19 infection [RD = −0.21 (95% CI, −0.34 to −0.07); I2 = 0%, p = 0.002] in the cohort studies included, with a low certainty of evidence
The use of surgical masks decreased the chance of COVID-19 infection by 49% [OR = 0.51 (95% CI, 0.37-0.70); I2 = 47%, p = 0.00001] in the case-control studies included, with a low certainty of evidence
The use of N95 respirator masks demonstrated a significant protective effect in decreasing (by 69%) the chance of COVID-19 infection [OR = 0.31 (95% CI, 0.20-0.49); I2 = 0%; p = 0.00001] in the case-control studies included, with a low certainty of evidence

Effectiveness of wearing masks during the COVID-19 outbreak in cohort and case-control studies: a systematic review and meta-analysis

To evaluate the efficacy of wearing a mask to prevent COVID-19 infection. This was a systematic review and meta-analysis of cohort and case-control studies, considering the best level of evidence available. Electronic databases (MEDLINE, EMBASE, Cochrane ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Rroff]

I never wore one with the exception of one hospital visit to the hospice.

If a shop insisted (Sainsbury's springs to mind) I went elsewhere.

I work quite a bit with Sainsbury's, at least the distribution side, their approach worked. Much lower sickness, etc. during that period impacting operations compared to other companies with looser restrictions or attitudes.

 

[mk1_salami]

I work quite a bit with Sainsbury's, at least the distribution side, their approach worked. Much lower sickness, etc. during that period impacting operations compared to other companies with looser restrictions or attitudes.

You've stats to show Sainsbury's had less sick employees than Asda, Tesco, Lidl, Aldi etc?

 

[Rroff]

You've stats to show Sainsbury's had less sick employees than Asda, Tesco, Lidl, Aldi etc?

I can't share any data like that due to work policies. Probably nothing in the public domain.

 

[GGizmo]

I'm all for not being forced into a corner by companies. But when a shopping store asks people to wear a mask do it or go else where.

I think there is a bit of stubbornness for stubbornnesses sake in this.

I believe the big stores were the main place for transmission.

 

[tonys]

I'm all for not being forced into a corner by companies. But when a shopping store asks people to wear a mask do it or go else where.

I think there is a bit of stubbornness for stubbornnesses sake in this.

I believe the big stores were the main place for transmission.

The daughter works for Tesco's and is abit anti vax(she's vegan and stubbon) but she was saying that most customers were fine it was just some who would push it by being in her face. None of us really liked the restrictions.