COVID-19 (Coronavirus) discussion

So walking around a supermarket yesterday I saw one mask wearer - well I say "wearer" but he had it below his chin and stayed like that as we walked round. Given mask wearing has long since ceased to be mandatory and so few people now bother - if you go out of your way to wear one why wouldnt you wear it correctly ??
This is not the first time I have seen this either. Plus you till sometimes see people with the silly little printed cotton masks rather than a proper one - again why ?

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I agree. it's been a long time since I wore a mask in every day scenarios. only time I do now is if I have to or if I am ill but have to go out for what ever reason.... I make sure I wear it properly but I am not wearing it for my protection then
that said they are harming no one so each to their own.
sometimes people should just mind their own business. I had some guy arguing with me today that I should not be in a click and collect space as I needed to buy a lettuce whilst waiting for my click and collect to arrive.
in the end I had to get a staff member to confirm it was ok. I was with my lad so had to be on best behaviour and not telling him to do one!
 
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I still occasionally get a moment stepping through the door of certain premises, etc. where I become conscious of the feeling of not wearing a mask and for a split second have to think whether I should or not LOL.
So you wear your mask based on social cues from others?

Good boy.
 
So walking around a supermarket yesterday I saw one mask wearer - well I say "wearer" but he had it below his chin and stayed like that as we walked round. Given mask wearing has long since ceased to be mandatory and so few people now bother - if you go out of your way to wear one why wouldnt you wear it correctly ??
This is not the first time I have seen this either. Plus you till sometimes see people with the silly little printed cotton masks rather than a proper one - again why ?

Just
Dont
Understand.
If it puzzles you so much why not just ask them?

This is a painful thread that should have been closed a long time ago.
Nah it just needs cleaning up from time to time from the utter drivel that some people burble out.
 
So you wear your mask based on social cues from others?

Good boy.

Why are you so obsessed with things you clearly think are drivel? Isn't there a "look at my car" thread for you?

May I ask what it is about conspiracy theories that draws you to them? It would be easier to understand if you had some kind of personal slight related to climate or the pandemic but you seem to like to think you are just really smart versus the rational world. I don't know why you still post in the thread (not just you of course).
 
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Why are you so obsessed with things you clearly think are drivel? Isn't there a "look at my car" thread for you?

May I ask what it is about conspiracy theories that draws you to them? It would be easier to understand if you had some kind of personal slight related to climate or the pandemic but you seem to like to think you are just really smart versus the rational world. I don't know why you still post in the thread (not just you of course).

I've been vocal against lockdown, enforced mask wearing and have voiced my concerns about damage caused by the shots.

What conspiracy theory? Or is it a lazy way to label someone you don't agree with?
 
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Why are you so obsessed with things you clearly think are drivel? Isn't there a "look at my car" thread for you?

May I ask what it is about conspiracy theories that draws you to them? It would be easier to understand if you had some kind of personal slight related to climate or the pandemic but you seem to like to think you are just really smart versus the rational world. I don't know why you still post in the thread (not just you of course).

Because the majority of the same mouth breathers were the ones calling for restrictions on freedoms for everyone else.

Do I think those ****** blue tissue masks made in slave shops in China do any good? No. Do I care if people wear them? Not in the slightest.

Do I care when the hysterical hand wringers would have anyone else put in a camp? Yes.
 
Eminent doctor? You know his PHD is in nurse training with digital media right? He was a nurse. I think its a disgrace he uses Dr before his name when talking about medical matters, if he wants to use Dr when talking in the medical field he should go back to school and become qualified as an actual medical doctor. His page was ok at the beginning and then he saw the $ that could be made by embracing the anti vax crowd and he went fully after it. Part of me might respect it, we live in a capitalist society after all but then the same could be said for Andrew Wakefield and we know what a disgrace he is and the damage he did scaring parents with his lies for $ and bought about the rise of measles again, a disease that is far from harmless and many children have been left with life changing health issues down to his greed and lack of ethics.
Dr John Campbell has every right to prefix his name with Doctor. He has earned that right. You can claim it's a disgrace that he does so but neither him, nor me nor his millions of subscribers nor anyone with half a brain give a tuppence what you think. He'll continue truth telling whether you like it or not;)
 
Dr John Campbell has every right to prefix his name with Doctor. He has earned that right. You can claim it's a disgrace that he does so but neither him, nor me nor his millions of subscribers nor anyone with half a brain give a tuppence what you think. He'll continue truth telling whether you like it or not;)

Is he a medical doctor or is he a retired nurse? If someone came up to you in a medical situation and called themselves a doctor would you expect them to be an actual medical doctor or a retired nurse with a doctorate in nurse training with digital media? He has been exposed so many times now by actual doctors for the misinformation he puts out but you and the millions of other sheeple keep taking in his nonsense because it fits your view point.
 
I work with a number of doctors in my team........ And whilst they are legitimate doctors in their own field they are not medical doctors, and they absolutely would never ever try to sign themselves off as medical doctors, doubly so when working with people who could miss interpret it. (which we do as we work with human data, often from a clinical community).

Does he have the right to use the Dr tag? yes!. Does he try to use it to try to over sell his view point as an actual medical doctor.......... unfortunately I believe yes he does and imo that is not on.
 
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I've no idea who this chap is, but a quick look says he holds a Diploma in Nursing, a bachelor's degree in Biology, a master's degree in health science and a doctorate for work on teaching via digital methods.

What's funny is if you check his youtube page, he tells you in the introductory video about his background, and from what I can see, makes no claim to be an MD.

You can't argue on one page that you listen to a paramedic about mask efficacy, but don't listen to anything this guy says?

We are way too divided on almost every topic now, including this. The tendency is to denounce the other side, or try to make each other look stupid. Case in point - check the guys Wikipedia page. In the opening paragraph it says, and I quote:

He has been criticised for suggesting COVID-19 deaths have been over-counted,[4] repeating false claims about the use of ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment, and providing misleading commentary about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.

All of which probably need an update, to show he was correct. We know the Covid deaths were overcounted. We know ivermectin was initially demonised but is now ok to talk about. And we know the shots are not what you'd call "safe" compared to any traditional vaccine.

I've just been called a conspiracy theorist a few posts up, and when asked to show me why he suddenly went quiet. I've probably been guilty of doing something similar myself - you get so frustrated listening to what you consider drivel, a personal attack is easy to reach for. So let's stop with the labels - on both sides; sheep, tinfoil hatter etc and maybe we can have a constructive conversation.
 
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I've no idea who this chap is, but a quick look says he holds a Diploma in Nursing, a bachelor's degree in Biology, a master's degree in health science and a doctorate for work on teaching via digital methods.

What's funny is if you check his youtube page, he tells you in the introductory video about his background, and from what I can see, makes no claim to be an MD.

You can't argue on one page that you listen to a paramedic about mask efficacy, but don't listen to anything this guy says?

We are way too divided on almost every topic now, including this. The tendency is to denounce the other side, or try to make each other look stupid. Case in point - check the guys Wikipedia page. In the opening paragraph it says, and I quote:



All of which probably need an update, to show he was correct. We know the Covid deaths were overcounted. We know ivermectin was initially demonised but is now ok to talk about. And we know the shots are not what you'd call "safe" compared to any traditional vaccine.

I've just been called a conspiracy theorist a few posts up, and when asked to show me why he suddenly went quiet. I've probably been guilty of doing something similar myself - you get so frustrated listening to what you consider drivel, a personal attack is easy to reach for. So let's stop with the labels - on both sides; sheep, tinfoil hatter etc and maybe we can have a constructive conversation.
i think you make some fair points however iirc (and it is from memory i do not have time to research it)

but iirc the main problem with ivermectin was that 1) people were using vetinary grade drugs, which whilst in reality were probably (ok almost certainly) safe, much like no official food organisation could ever publicly say it is ok to eat dog food, no health organisation were ever going to say "sure take horse pills!" .

and the other problem is there were fears it would lead to widespread shortages of the human approved drug for people needing it for what it definitely WAS confirmed to be useful for.

I am no expert and if i am wrong so be it, but i thought ivermectin far from being demonised WAS tested back in the day and there was no confirmed proof that it helped. Perhaps this has changed now but last i heard the jury was still out?.

as for the vaccine. it IS safe in so far as any drug is safe. I knew of the possible side effects of the vaccine before i took it, i knew there was an incredibly small risk of clotting issues for instance and also knew i was quite likely to feel rough for a day or 2 after taking it (1st jab is was rough, 2nd i was ok, and my 2 boosters after that no reaction at all - but they were a different vaccine)

Think of the 100s of millions of doses which have been given world wide, IF it wasnt safe then we would know. the covid vaccines have now probably had more human testing done on them than 90% of other vaccines in the world.
Sadly a tiny small number did have really serious reactions.

BUT a lot of the deaths initially blamed on the vaccine ended up with the people having other risks - sometimes covid itself as well.

Also you know what was really dangerous back in 2020/2021? getting covid when not vaccinated.

There is a question regarding young kids. We jabbed our lad but that was a personal choice, i would never ever question a parent choosing to go the other way on that, the benefits are hugely lower for kids than they are adults and for some the even tiny risk was not worth it.

for tweens / teens my personal view is leave it up to them to decide........... but adults? it was a total no brainer imo to have the vaccination. The vaccine wasnt perfect but come on............ worse than letting covid run unchecked? really?

And the mask thing again, its all about the quality of the mask, how it is worn and how it is used. 2 people passing in a shopping isle for 10 seconds both wearing a properly fitted mask is going to help a lot more than a 2 week old disposible one not covering someones nose having a 30 min chat indoors.........................

There were some really bone headed ideas however..... the notion that it was not safe to go in a shop without a mask on but was fine to go to a restaurant ... That double standard was always going to make people question the logic of masks indoors.
 
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The problem with YouTube doctors such as John Campbell and the like, is that they offer easy, simple explanations which are probably wrong or incomplete, to very complicated problems. These are then aimed at Facebook-level users who enjoy having an axe to grind, and it's all just done for monetisation.

Essentially, what Campbell does - is use his platform to rile up an audience that wants to get riled up, which drives a critical mass of likes/subscriptions which in turn drives the algorithms and in the end makes him a pile of cash.

Campbell will always have a peanut gallery of people willing to go on his show, or give him enough likes, but it means jack **** with regard to actual medical science or healthcare.
 
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I've no idea who this chap is, but a quick look says he holds a Diploma in Nursing, a bachelor's degree in Biology, a master's degree in health science and a doctorate for work on teaching via digital methods.

What's funny is if you check his youtube page, he tells you in the introductory video about his background, and from what I can see, makes no claim to be an MD.

You can't argue on one page that you listen to a paramedic about mask efficacy, but don't listen to anything this guy says?

We are way too divided on almost every topic now, including this. The tendency is to denounce the other side, or try to make each other look stupid. Case in point - check the guys Wikipedia page. In the opening paragraph it says, and I quote:



All of which probably need an update, to show he was correct. We know the Covid deaths were overcounted. We know ivermectin was initially demonised but is now ok to talk about. And we know the shots are not what you'd call "safe" compared to any traditional vaccine.

I've just been called a conspiracy theorist a few posts up, and when asked to show me why he suddenly went quiet. I've probably been guilty of doing something similar myself - you get so frustrated listening to what you consider drivel, a personal attack is easy to reach for. So let's stop with the labels - on both sides; sheep, tinfoil hatter etc and maybe we can have a constructive conversation.

His channel says he is Dr John Cambell and he is talking about medical matters. Who honestly clicks on a video and thinks, oh I'll just check the introductory video to see if this person is who the channel name says he is? If you walked into a hospital and were directed to a door which had Dr John Cambell on it would you question if they were a medical doctor when you entered?

Can you show me a link to a peer reviewed blind study that shows that ivermectin is effective against Covid? And no we don't know that about covid shots yet. All medicines carry risk of adverse effects. 13.5 billion doses administered world wide, that is a huge number, no one would expect there not to be a small percentage of people who had adverse reactions to that. lets not forget that one of the many ways Covid killed and maimed was with clotting.

The revisionism now seems to be people claiming it wasn't that bad, that ICUs weren't pushed to breaking point. We actually got lucky that it mutated into less lethal variants.
 
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The problem with YouTube doctors such as John Campbell and the like, is that they offer easy, simple explanations which are probably wrong or incomplete, to very complicated problems. These are then aimed at Facebook-level users who enjoy having an axe to grind, and it's all just done for monetisation.

Essentially, what Campbell does - is use his platform to rile up an audience that wants to get riled up, which drives a critical mass of likes/subscriptions which in turn drives the algorithms and in the end makes him a pile of cash.

Campbell will always have a peanut gallery of people willing to go on his show, or give him enough likes, but it means jack **** with regard to actual medical science or healthcare.

Except he isn't an actual doctor of medicine. He is best described as a quack.
 
as for the vaccine. it IS safe in so far as any drug is safe. I knew of the possible side effects of the vaccine before i took it, i knew there was an incredibly small risk of clotting issues for instance and also knew i was quite likely to feel rough for a day or 2 after taking it (1st jab is was rough, 2nd i was ok, and my 2 boosters after that no reaction at all - but they were a different vaccine)

Think of the 100s of millions of doses which have been given world wide, IF it wasnt safe then we would know.
We do though. I cited it a few times already; the stats show overwhelmingly that when compared to every other vaccine the covid shots are a multitude of times more dangerous. We're well past the point where we can call it "safe".

Excess deaths are through the roof and what is causing that is yet to be determined. It would be easy (and lazy) to blame the vaccine, and it may well be true, but nobody wants to talk about that. It could also be due to the backlog on the health services caused by the lockdown.

The main problem is that it seems blaming the vaccine for anything is simply out of bounds for discussion. We need to have an open forum where nothing is off the table and things are investigated properly.
 
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