CPU Longevity?

[Thekwango]

Frankly i don't care what others chose to do with their money.

But it is hard for me to sit back and watch others hand out bad advice about what to do with their money, despite what some reviewers say, like Toms Hardware, there is plenty of actually evidence on the net to prove AMD are competitive on performance alone, when it come to price for performance AMD have Intel conclusively beat.

I'm not convinced its fanboyisum, i just think there is too much bad advice out there and a mentality to follow it.

I quite agree, people are still being specced 1500 quid intel builds when the equivalent Ryzen is a fraction of the cost.
As to fanboyism, as someone above mentioned, it could well be an age thing. There's going to be a lot of folks on here who just don't remember AMD being competitive and therefore 'Intel is the best' is just ingrained into their heads now. Top marketing by Intel and poor showings from AMD are the root cause of this mentality.

I only got into actual pc building myself a few years ago when Intel obviously were the go to chips but I've been an amiga/console/pc gamer for years so am more open to change/progress - whatever you want to call it.

I'm not knocking Intel they've pumped out damn good chips and I'm still rocking an i5 750!! But I recognise the change in the gaming 'market' which is why I'd say anyone currently considering a gaming pc build at this moment should be almost exclusively looking at Ryzen.

 

[GAC]

I quite agree, people are still being specced 1500 quid intel builds when the equivalent Ryzen is a fraction of the cost.
As to fanboyism, as someone above mentioned, it could well be an age thing. There's going to be a lot of folks on here who just don't remember AMD being competitive and therefore 'Intel is the best' is just ingrained into their heads now. Top marketing by Intel and poor showings from AMD are the root cause of this mentality.

I only got into actual pc building myself a few years ago when Intel obviously were the go to chips but I've been an amiga/console/pc gamer for years so am more open to change/progress - whatever you want to call it.

I'm not knocking Intel they've pumped out damn good chips and I'm still rocking an i5 750!! But I recognise the change in the gaming 'market' which is why I'd say anyone currently considering a gaming pc build at this moment should be almost exclusively looking at Ryzen.

il jump with whatever makes the most sense come august (waited until now so whats a couple more months) and im on my i5 750 still 4 cores of majestic power which is slowly melting playing civ 6.

when august comes around il see whats on offer and make a list. but the min id be looking for will be a 6c12t cpu anything less is just stupid if your planning on not upgrading for a few years. but again depends on costs.

 

[Thekwango]

il jump with whatever makes the most sense come august (waited until now so whats a couple more months) and im on my i5 750 still 4 cores of majestic power which is slowly melting playing civ 6.

when august comes around il see whats on offer and make a list. but the min id be looking for will be a 6c12t cpu anything less is just stupid if your planning on not upgrading for a few years. but again depends on costs.

Another i5'er!! What a truly underrated chip she is! Sadly she's starting to show her age a bit now. Not sure if there's any value in flogging her come the time, may just put her to work as a home server or spare/living room pc. I may actually shed a tear if I have to decommission her completely!!

 

[GAC]

Another i5'er!! What a truly underrated chip she is! Sadly she's starting to show her age a bit now. Not sure if there's any value in flogging her come the time, may just put her to work as a home server or spare/living room pc. I may actually shed a tear if I have to decommission her completely!!

mines going to be a file server, and de clocked back to something sensible from the 4.16ghz its humming along at now. then load the case up with some big sata drives.

 

[eddiew]

I assume you don't play too many games then?

No, I have about 4 games that I particularly like and cycle round. I have little interest in picking up the season's latest titles, and while I may occasionally add one to my collection in a year, it will probably be the only one and may not happen. Realistically, I should plan on the best system for what I do today on the assumption I'm too old to change my preferences

 

[roadwish]

Whilst this does hold some water, you are using an fx chip which is miles behind most intel chips.

Not most, only 8 or 8+ threaded ones (where worse ipc comes to play).

Mate, you completely lost me with that post

FX chips got bad name from the start (deserved it too) cause they really were worse for most tasks, but now when most games are able to utilize 4+ threads they just carry it on thread count and free available resources whenever game needs it which gives you smooth gameplay.But if we wanna stick to the topic r5 1600 or 6800k looks like best (minimum) buy longevity wise atm.

p.s: OC cpu/nb in FX is needed to fully feed 8 threads.

 

[DONOHUE07]

FX chips got bad name from the start (deserved it too) cause they really were worse for most tasks, but now when most games are able to utilize 4+ threads they just carry it on thread count and free available resources whenever game needs it which gives you smooth gameplay.But if we wanna stick to the topic r5 1600 or 6800k looks like best (minimum) buy longevity wise atm.

p.s: OC cpu/nb in FX is needed to fully feed 8 threads.

With you now! I have been looking to upgrade my fx8350, but realistically, it is still holding up...just

 

[HangTime]

anyone buying a 4 core 8 thread now either change their CPU regularly or are stupid

I'm not convinced, 4c/8t with high IPC and high clockspeed isn't to be sniffed at for gaming and will likely remain competitive for some time. I guess it depends what one means by 'regularly' but for example I'd expect such a setup to be OK in 2020 compared to other cpus of a similar price point.

If I was buying today I'd probably get R5-1600 but I wouldn't dismiss other options out of hand.

 

[Thekwango]

I'm not convinced, 4c/8t with high IPC and high clockspeed isn't to be sniffed at for gaming and will likely remain competitive for some time. I guess it depends what one means by 'regularly' but for example I'd expect such a setup to be OK in 2020 compared to other cpus of a similar price point.

If I was buying today I'd probably get R5-1600 but I wouldn't dismiss other options out of hand.

You're quite right, Kabylake et al aren't exactly dead in the water but when you factor in cost it just doesn't make sense to go for, say, an i7 7700k now.

 

[eddiew]

I'm not convinced, 4c/8t with high IPC and high clockspeed isn't to be sniffed at for gaming and will likely remain competitive for some time. I guess it depends what one means by 'regularly' but for example I'd expect such a setup to be OK in 2020 compared to other cpus of a similar price point.

I agree, it's very case dependant. I mostly play Kerbal Space Program and modded Minecraft, both of which will eat 1-2 threads for breakfast and ignore the rest. While I also play Cities Skylines, there's not much evidence that it cares about more than 4 cores. An overclocked 7700k is quite possibly ideal for me.

But I still try to find reasons to buy AMD because I feel like I should I just want them to solve the ram speed issues first so's the gap on single-thread performance narrows... With 3000mhz ddr4, I would get an upgrade with an OC'd 1600 no matter what the workload

 

[voidshatter]

Too much Ryzen fanboism nowadays... Got to give it a break...

 

[beany_bot]

I have to agree. You would have to be mad to suggest anything other than an AM4 built for 99% of people now.

Ryzen may loose literally a couple of fps in older games but in current and coming games it's level. It's Hella-faster rendering and multicore tasks and it's cheaper. (And you are helping balance the market).

My i5 will see me through to next year. Q4 I'll change it to an 8 core. Hopefully AMD. 8c/16t should see me good for another 4 years thereafter.

 

[X-Mikuru_Beam-X]

Too much Ryzen fanboism nowadays... Got to give it a break...

Anyway to stop that slide show? I want to read it

 

[Troezar]

I have to agree. You would have to be mad to suggest anything other than an AM4 built for 99% of people now.

Ryzen may loose literally a couple of fps in older games but in current and coming games it's level. It's Hella-faster rendering and multicore tasks and it's cheaper. (And you are helping balance the market).

My i5 will see me through to next year. Q4 I'll change it to an 8 core. Hopefully AMD. 8c/16t should see me good for another 4 years thereafter.

This is my thinking. Losing a few fps isn't an issue but the other gains and potential longevity the extra cores give you will sway me towards AMD.

Interested to see what price Threadripper comes in at but may be overkill for most of my usage.

 

[valerislysander]

Boy you give your own opinion and wow being called stupid for buying a i7-7700k, nice very mature. My choice my money, my advice but never has to be taken and as I said it can depend on what you want to do and whether you want more cores or faster clock speed. Im sure Ryzen performs well and will get even better but personally i bought an i7-7700k last month deeming it to be the best for me and budget was irrelevant, however I got it for £280 so not to much more than the Ryzen 5s and cheaper than the 7s. Seems there is a lot of AMD nostalgia and fanboyism, personally ive never been a fan of AMD for CPUs or GPUs, they haven usually been cheaper for a reason and i believe there software support is worse than intel and nvidia.
I've seen varying benchmarks all very close, I'm confident 8 threads is still very relevant in gaming terms.
I am a tech fan and a gamer so I am glad they are being competitive again to give everyone more choice and better prices overall.

 

[humbug]

Boy you give your own opinion and wow being called stupid for buying a i7-7700k, nice very mature. My choice my money, my advice but never has to be taken and as I said it can depend on what you want to do and whether you want more cores or faster clock speed. Im sure Ryzen performs well and will get even better but personally i bought an i7-7700k last month deeming it to be the best for me and budget was irrelevant, however I got it for £280 so not to much more than the Ryzen 5s and cheaper than the 7s. Seems there is a lot of AMD nostalgia and fanboyism, personally ive never been a fan of AMD for CPUs or GPUs, they haven usually been cheaper for a reason and i believe there software support is worse than intel and nvidia.
I've seen varying benchmarks all very close, I'm confident 8 threads is still very relevant in gaming terms.
I am a tech fan and a gamer so I am glad they are being competitive again to give everyone more choice and better prices overall.

To sum this up in one sentance.
You start your post by crying wolf, laying on the fake tears, and end it by accusing anyone who doesn't agree with you as being immature and an "AMD fanboy".

No one has said anything remotely unreasonable or offensive to you, the only one saying anything at all offensive to anyone in this thread is you. you are also the only one in this thread arguing one brand over the other based purely on brand loyalty, everyone else is making a common sense argument, you just don't like it because 'its not your team that's being lorded' your reaction to that is to be offensive to those who simply disagree with you, that is a classic reaction of the sort you propose everyone but you in this thread is.

The word "AND fanboy" crops up constantly in anything that is anything but pro Intel.

 

[Thekwango]

Boy you give your own opinion and wow being called stupid for buying a i7-7700k, nice very mature. My choice my money, my advice but never has to be taken and as I said it can depend on what you want to do and whether you want more cores or faster clock speed. Im sure Ryzen performs well and will get even better but personally i bought an i7-7700k last month deeming it to be the best for me and budget was irrelevant, however I got it for £280 so not to much more than the Ryzen 5s and cheaper than the 7s. Seems there is a lot of AMD nostalgia and fanboyism, personally ive never been a fan of AMD for CPUs or GPUs, they haven usually been cheaper for a reason and i believe there software support is worse than intel and nvidia.
I've seen varying benchmarks all very close, I'm confident 8 threads is still very relevant in gaming terms.
I am a tech fan and a gamer so I am glad they are being competitive again to give everyone more choice and better prices overall.

Who called you stupid?

The decision to buy an i7 7700 isn't necessarily stupid, a bit short sighted perhaps. Fair play you got it at a good price and I hope you're happy with it and it lasts you a good few years. But going Ryzen R5 1600 could have saved you quite a few quid, allowing you to get a 1080ti perhaps. Now that combo is almost certain to last much longer than the i7, plus you would have a guaranteed upgrade to zen+ should you feel the need.

 

[voidshatter]

Who called you stupid?

The decision to buy an i7 7700 isn't necessarily stupid, a bit short sighted perhaps. Fair play you got it at a good price and I hope you're happy with it and it lasts you a good few years. But going Ryzen R5 1600 could have saved you quite a few quid, allowing you to get a 1080ti perhaps. Now that combo is almost certain to last much longer than the i7, plus you would have a guaranteed upgrade to zen+ should you feel the need.

A Ryzen is already providing sub-optimal performance out of the box because of not so good overclocking while most games and daily applications still can't utilize more than 2 cores.

Software would continue to optimize for multi-thread, that's for sure. However, by the time 4 cores are not enough, this generation of Ryzen would have been out-dated and superseded by later Ryzens or whatever Intel is going to offer. This generation of Ryzen will never see to the throne throughout its whole life-cycle. Not scoring anything as king imo is a poor investment.

Guaranteed upgrade? By replacing the motherboard with something that supports ThreadReaper?

 

[Journey]

A Ryzen is already providing sub-optimal performance out of the box because of not so good overclocking while most games and daily applications still can't utilize more than 2 cores.

Software would continue to optimize for multi-thread, that's for sure. However, by the time 4 cores are not enough, this generation of Ryzen would have been out-dated and superseded by later Ryzens or whatever Intel is going to offer. This generation of Ryzen will never see to the throne throughout its whole life-cycle. Not scoring anything as king imo is a poor investment.

Guaranteed upgrade? By replacing the motherboard with something that supports ThreadReaper?

If you are going to attempt to **** something off, then at least research it first. Socket AM4 will be around until at least 2020, so will get 2-3 generations of Zen CPU's that will just drop in with a BIOS upgrade.

Also if 2 core are enough, then just use i3's since i7's and i5's must be a waste of space according to you.

However, I will say this, it's not great at overclocking, but then it's a new architecture but I've built a total of five Ryzen system since launch, and they could all easily do 3.9GHz on low volts, running nice an cool. Which is more than can be said for a Kaby lake CPU that needs it's top chopping off if you want to get the full potential form it.

 

[Thekwango]

A Ryzen is already providing sub-optimal performance out of the box because of not so good overclocking while most games and daily applications still can't utilize more than 2 cores.

Software would continue to optimize for multi-thread, that's for sure. However, by the time 4 cores are not enough, this generation of Ryzen would have been out-dated and superseded by later Ryzens or whatever Intel is going to offer. This generation of Ryzen will never see to the throne throughout its whole life-cycle. Not scoring anything as king imo is a poor investment.

Guaranteed upgrade? By replacing the motherboard with something that supports ThreadReaper?

there's so much wrong with that post i'm embarrassed for you.

A Ryzen is already providing sub-optimal performance out of the box because of not so good overclocking

no - sub optimal performace due to ram instability - which is being addressed

However, by the time 4 cores are not enough, this generation of Ryzen would have been out-dated and superseded by later Ryzens or whatever Intel is going to offer.

utter speculation - also ryzen is almost on par in many reviews where new games are being benched. they may not have the top end fps that intel does but time and again it has been said they are offering a smoother gaming experience due to improved minimums

Not scoring anything as king imo is a poor investment.

very poor opinion to have. if it's not the best of the best it's not a good investment? for one thing pc's are not an investment - you will not get your money or anything like it back if you go to sell it on. but more over it's just a silly opinion to state.

Guaranteed upgrade? By replacing the motherboard with something that supports ThreadReaper?

my apologies, an almost certain guaranteed upgrade to zen+ - just pop in a new chip. what you gonna do to upgrade that i7?