Crazy fires in Los Angeles

"One day you're sitting by the pool, the next day it's all gone" I saw quoted.

Yea, zero sympathy for all these overpaid 'celebrities' who have lost their millionaire mansions.
 
more innocuous but basically same misery as you get in the UK with annual flooding ... what is the worldwide annual bill for climate change impact.
(the island submerging as the result of see level that is always represented at cimate conference etc)
 
Minusorange said:
I'm not sure it's a fault of DEI but an issue across multiple roles within the county and design flaws in their water system ?
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I'm supposed to believe American water pipes are disconnected from the houses by a water tower firewall now? and their entire system relies on water towers to provide water pressure to the pipes....

surely water towers are only their as a reserve storage source they don't work like a toilet cistern seperating whole streets
 
Dis86 said:
Lol they're having problems with gravity? Best excuse I've heard all year.
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Water towers are a common solution to providing water pressure in places where the cost of mechanical pumping is prohibitive and the reliability of it would be a problem, or the supply isn't there to increase it. You are creating a gravity powered buffer.

Most places rely on gravity for water pressure to at least some degree, and the water towers or similar (in the UK we sometimes have very large tanks buried at high points) are the way you maintain it when the initial source of the water isn't much higher than your usage, and given LA is famously hilly it's about the only way you provide enough water for the daily pressure.

It's basically a way of taking a low flow/low pressure system and ensuring the end user has enough regardless of the very hard and expensive to control fluctuations you'd otherwise see if everyone was fed directly from the main feeds (for a start you'd need to massively increase the pressure or size of the main feed and it's supply, and IIRC LA doesn't have enough water to increase that supply...)

It's also exactly the same way that every tall building tends to do it, relatively low flow pumps that can work pretty much continuously to move the water to a large tank at the top of the building so that everyone in the building gets a good flow.

Even your traditional British built home used to have a mini "water tower" to provide pressure for the hot water, it's what the header tank in your loft was, it filled up using "mains pressure" but ensured you have a good pressure for hot water in your hot water tanks etc regardless of what was happening with the cold water taps and the incoming mains pressure.
 
Werewolf said:
Water towers are a common solution to providing water pressure in places where the cost of mechanical pumping is prohibitive and the reliability of it would be a problem, or the supply isn't there to increase it. You are creating a gravity powered buffer.

Most places rely on gravity for water pressure to at least some degree, and the water towers or similar (in the UK we sometimes have very large tanks buried at high points) are the way you maintain it when the initial source of the water isn't much higher than your usage, and given LA is famously hilly it's about the only way you provide enough water for the daily pressure.

It's basically a way of taking a low flow/low pressure system and ensuring the end user has enough regardless of the very hard and expensive to control fluctuations you'd otherwise see if everyone was fed directly from the main feeds (for a start you'd need to massively increase the pressure or size of the main feed and it's supply, and IIRC LA doesn't have enough water to increase that supply...)

It's also exactly the same way that every tall building tends to do it, relatively low flow pumps that can work pretty much continuously to move the water to a large tank at the top of the building so that everyone in the building gets a good flow.

Even your traditional British built home used to have a mini "water tower" to provide pressure for the hot water, it's what the header tank in your loft was, it filled up using "mains pressure" but ensured you have a good pressure for hot water in your hot water tanks etc regardless of what was happening with the cold water taps and the incoming mains pressure.
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That's lovely but...and I don't know if you've noticed...gravity is still working just fine.
 
arknor said:
I'm supposed to believe American water pipes are disconnected from the houses by a water tower firewall now? and their entire system relies on water towers to provide water pressure to the pipes....

surely water towers are only their as a reserve storage source they don't work like a toilet cistern seperating whole streets
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The water towers basically provide a buffer and maintain pressure during peak use.

You can either increase the size of the supply pipes, the pressure of the supply pipes and the actual source of the water and you need at least an increased supply and one of the others, or you can provide local buffers to maintain pressures.

The water towers are the local buffers and the only practical solution if your incoming supply might vary in the amount of water available.
 
Dis86 said:
That's lovely but...and I don't know if you've noticed...gravity is still working just fine.
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gravity is still working.

But you've run into the problem that the entire system relies on gravity and the water being in the tanks.

Oddly enough gravity both helps and hinders with water...it helps whilst your tanks are full and demand is low, it hinders when you have a huge increase in water that is sustained and the tanks run low.

I've no doubt the politician has probably muffed the explanation a bit, but then show me any politician or even human who doesn't mess up an explanation from time to time, especially when they might be trying to explain something that is quite complicated in simple words in the space of 30 seconds.
 
Yes and there isn't any water thanks to people like Newsom..


Couple of videos doing the rounds on twitter of firefighters filling bags with water...yes that's right bags!! Crazy.
 
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C Kent said:
Yes and there isn't any water thanks to people like Newsom..


Couple of videos doing the rounds on twitter of firefighters filling bags with water...yes that's right bags!! Crazy.
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There isn't any water because LA is sucking every drop from the rest of the state and surrounding states.
 
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It looks more like a computer game than reality :eek: :(
 
Werewolf said:
gravity is still working.

But you've run into the problem that the entire system relies on gravity and the water being in the tanks.

Oddly enough gravity both helps and hinders with water...it helps whilst your tanks are full and demand is low, it hinders when you have a huge increase in water that is sustained and the tanks run low.

I've no doubt the politician has probably muffed the explanation a bit, but then show me any politician or even human who doesn't mess up an explanation from time to time, especially when they might be trying to explain something that is quite complicated in simple words in the space of 30 seconds.
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Precisely, so it's not the problem. It has been there all along and hasn't changed.

The issue is the design of the water storage and distribution infrastructure.

Let's not forget that california has a GDP greater than the UK or India. There's plenty of money there, it's just being spaffed up the wall by utterly utterly inept political leaders.
 
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