Creative g6 Vs fiio k5 pro. Stereo Vs SBX

[nice one 7546]

I'm buying the k712 on black Friday and Id like an amp dac combo.

The creative g6 is £70 (B stock)
Fiio k5 pro will be around £130-140

In games like csgo/call of duty do you want vss turned off so you can hear footsteps better?

Is vss a gimmick? Does it really give a more immersive experience in games?

Will the k5 pro give me an overall better experience than the g6?



PS the x2hrs are trash for imaging I DO NOT recommend

 

[R3X]

Cant answer your gaming side of question since don't game but we know Creative at least cater for gamers sound feature wise.

I have been keeping an eye on the G6 since creative got the B stock at that amazing low 70 quid price tag, the same for the K5 pro too.

G6 is supposedly a very power headphone amp with high quality performance for headphones:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SoundBlast...reative_sound_blaster_g6_vs_x3_maybe_the_ae7/

Even creative and a customer compare the new Creative X3 to the older G6 and both found the G6 more powerful and better, link above.

From what I have read about the K5 Pro here:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/fii...ifier-is-now-available-globally.913889/page-2
https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/cjkouz/fiio_k5_pro_fiio_first_desktop_dac_amplifier/

Its an excellent dac/headphone amp but it maybe lacking on the power side of things so it may not provide the power for the really demanding headphones.
But otherwise its sound quality is meant to be pretty good and decent detail in sound too.

Where did you see the Fiio k5 pro for 130-140 ? the ali place is out of stock.

 

[nice one 7546]

Cant answer your gaming side of question since don't game but we know Creative at least cater for gamers sound feature wise.

I have been keeping an eye on the G6 since creative got the B stock at that amazing low 70 quid price tag, the same for the K5 pro too.

G6 is supposedly a very power headphone amp with high quality performance for headphones:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SoundBlast...reative_sound_blaster_g6_vs_x3_maybe_the_ae7/

Even creative and a customer compare the new Creative X3 to the older G6 and both found the G6 more powerful and better, link above.

From what I have read about the K5 Pro here:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/fii...ifier-is-now-available-globally.913889/page-2
https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/cjkouz/fiio_k5_pro_fiio_first_desktop_dac_amplifier/

Its an excellent dac/headphone amp but it maybe lacking on the power side of things so it may not provide the power for the really demanding headphones.
But otherwise its sound quality is meant to be pretty good and decent detail in sound too.

Where did you see the Fiio k5 pro for 130-140 ? the ali place is out of stock.

Importing from US rain forest + buying a UK plug

I'm considering k712 or the 990 at the moment mostly leaning k712 due to the apparent dt 990 spike in the highs

 

[Elku]

With a standard DAC amp you can just use Dolby Atmos for headphone

 

[R3X]

Oh us import, good method sometimes on the german rain forest side sometimes can work well too.

Always head K12s and the DT 990s nothing but good things from both.

 

[nice one 7546]

I'm considering the dt 990 600ohm as they aren't as bright from what I've heard

 

[Elku]

They are a little smoother but for me they are still ear piercing to the point of pain at even low volumes. It depends on your hearing though.

 

[nice one 7546]

They are a little smoother but for me they are still ear piercing to the point of pain at even low volumes. It depends on your hearing though.

AHH, that's what I was worried about

Have you tried the k712

 

[Elku]

AHH, that's what I was worried about

Have you tried the k712

I have and they are much better imo. But I don't like the elastic band system. It weakens over time and is a little tricky to replace. I much prefer just a fixed head band. In fact I don't really understand the point of the kxx series head band. The only time a self adjusting head band would be good is if your head was constantly changing size

 

[EsaT]

Is vss a gimmick? Does it really give a more immersive experience in games?

Compare this:
https://youtu.be/Y6ROujJ8Ae8?t=50s
To this:
https://youtu.be/Y6ROujJ8Ae8?t=6m20s

Or this:
https://youtu.be/d1_20T8x_OI?t=12m56s
To this:
https://youtu.be/UE-NorSeH68?t=3m24s

Just make sure you have effects/sound processing disabled, because those will guaranteedly mess binaural cues seriously.

Listener's head shape differing from average would also achieve that.
Which is why we should have had Super X-Fi like customizable HRTF years ago.

PS the x2hrs are trash for imaging I DO NOT recommend

Fidelios should do quite well.
Unless all the hype I've heard about them has been just audiofoolery BS.
Laws of the physics just order that if you feed headphones speaker stereo signal, only immersion you'll get is sound "inside left or right ear, or in center of the head".
Just like in that first link.

 

[nice one 7546]

Compare this:
https://youtu.be/Y6ROujJ8Ae8?t=50s
To this:
https://youtu.be/Y6ROujJ8Ae8?t=6m20s

Or this:
https://youtu.be/d1_20T8x_OI?t=12m56s
To this:
https://youtu.be/UE-NorSeH68?t=3m24s

Just make sure you have effects/sound processing disabled, because those will guaranteedly mess binaural cues seriously.

Listener's head shape differing from average would also achieve that.
Which is why we should have had Super X-Fi like customizable HRTF years ago.


Fidelios should do quite well.
Unless all the hype I've heard about them has been just audiofoolery BS.
Laws of the physics just order that if you feed headphones speaker stereo signal, only immersion you'll get is sound "inside left or right ear, or in center of the head".
Just like in that first link.

The x2s are "fun" that's it. They're awful for competitive. Sometimes footsteps seem close but they're actually far away and vice versa. It does left and right imaging but everything else you have to critically listen to know where footsteps are coming from. If you dig deeper as I have there's many people that say they suck for imaging.

 

[leemk]

I got the G6 b stock to replace my E5 , great little Dac Amp , powers 58X , DT880 600ohm , DT 990 250ohm , MK3's no problem.

Regarding the DT 990 , I'm sure my 250ohm ones have given me tinnitus, don't play them loud either.
Soundstage and clarity is awesome though.

 

[nice one 7546]

I got the G6 b stock to replace my E5 , great little Dac Amp , powers 58X , DT880 600ohm , DT 990 250ohm , MK3's no problem.

How are the 58x and dt 880 for gaming? Are the soundstages as small as people say?

 

[leemk]

58X are great for music and movies , 990 beats it easily in soundstage/games/music/though.
58X are good but think they are just over hyped 595's
Will have to fire up the 880's as not used them in a while and cant remember what they are like compared to the other 2

 

[EsaT]

How are the 58x and dt 880 for gaming? Are the soundstages as small as people say?

According to Mad Lust Envy's guide DT880 is actually worser for positioning than DT990, despite of DT990's stronger bass.
But I trust to that considering my own experiencies of headphones listed by him.

 

[nice one 7546]

According to Mad Lust Envy's guide DT880 is actually worser for positioning than DT990, despite of DT990's stronger bass.
But I trust to that considering my own experiencies of headphones listed by him.

Have you been able to try the k712?

How is the k712 compared to the 990 in "fun" and competitive? I've heard the k712 adds a but more bass compared to the other akgs but is it still bass light?

I've also read that the k712 has accurate imaging but central imaging is a bit blurry.

The 990s worry me due to how bright everybody makes them out to be.

 

[Andygully]

Just reading this thanks for the information. Think I'm going to go for the g6 b stock and a set of dt990s.
I'll be using them for gaming movie and a little music.
Would that be the best combo?

 

[EsaT]

Have you been able to try the k712?

How is the k712 compared to the 990 in "fun" and competitive? I've heard the k712 adds a but more bass compared to the other akgs but is it still bass light?

I've also read that the k712 has accurate imaging but central imaging is a bit blurry.

The 990s worry me due to how bright everybody makes them out to be.

I own Beyer DT990 and couple years ago bought AKG K712+second hand K702 for that neutral reference.
(+"retired" tape keeping parts from falling HD595 Sennheiser)

K712's bass is pretty equal to DT990, though not fully.
Anyway you don't want more bass than that general amount, because any lower frequency sounds would fast start burying simultaneous details seriously.
Or you would have to make own equalizer profile for more competitive gaming.
That's where K702 has clear advantage with accurate neutral bass keeping details always more easily distinguishable.
Obviously at the expense of at best average "fun factor" with bass neutral HRTFs of Creative. (Dolby Headphone's bloated bass still just barely tolerable)


In details K712 wins about same amount. Though in some sounds DT990 did better in side by side comparison.
Likely because of K712's frequency response having dip around 3kHz while in comparison DT990 is flat in there.
(Headphone.com used to have superb tool for comparing frequency responses)

Headphone profiles of Creative's Super X-Fi (available for DT770-990 models but not K712) would no doubt make that completely moot point in positioning accuracy.
And without clear and easy time difference cues front and rear direction positions anyway depend lot more on accuracy of HRTF.
Hence customizable HRTF would be advantage in that no matter the headphones.
Simply because headphones can never create something not existing in the signal driving them.


Because of better comfort I've lately used mostly DT990.
Beyer's velour pads are simply softer and because of manual head band adjustment they don't rely also on pressure to stay in place.
Unlike AKG's "automatically adjusting" head band.
For music you would likely want to drop 8kHz band 4-5dBs in equalizer for DT990.
But neither are AKGs any treble covering headphones.

 

[nice one 7546]

I own Beyer DT990 and couple years ago bought AKG K712+second hand K702 for that neutral reference.
(+"retired" tape keeping parts from falling HD595 Sennheiser)

K712's bass is pretty equal to DT990, though not fully.
Anyway you don't want more bass than that general amount, because any lower frequency sounds would fast start burying simultaneous details seriously.
Or you would have to make own equalizer profile for more competitive gaming.
That's where K702 has clear advantage with accurate neutral bass keeping details always more easily distinguishable.
Obviously at the expense of at best average "fun factor" with bass neutral HRTFs of Creative. (Dolby Headphone's bloated bass still just barely tolerable)


In details K712 wins about same amount. Though in some sounds DT990 did better in side by side comparison.
Likely because of K712's frequency response having dip around 3kHz while in comparison DT990 is flat in there.
(Headphone.com used to have superb tool for comparing frequency responses)

Headphone profiles of Creative's Super X-Fi (available for DT770-990 models but not K712) would no doubt make that completely moot point in positioning accuracy.
And without clear and easy time difference cues front and rear direction positions anyway depend lot more on accuracy of HRTF.
Hence customizable HRTF would be advantage in that no matter the headphones.
Simply because headphones can never create something not existing in the signal driving them.


Because of better comfort I've lately used mostly DT990.
Beyer's velour pads are simply softer and because of manual head band adjustment they don't rely also on pressure to stay in place.
Unlike AKG's "automatically adjusting" head band.
For music you would likely want to drop 8kHz band 4-5dBs in equalizer for DT990.
But neither are AKGs any treble covering headphones.

Thanks for going into such detail.

I've read a lot about amps in the past few days and the general consensus is that gamer audio products (g6) are worse than audio products in the same price bracket (k5 pro). They also explain that although gamer products like the g6 will get higher end products loud they wont control the drivers as well as something like a k5 pro thus giving less detail.

As for the k712 on the g6 Vs k5 pro. How much of a detail difference will there be compared between the two? The k712 is apparently overly bright on top of exacerbating the central imaging flaw when the headphones aren't powered properly.

Thanks

 

[gearsplayer]

@EsaT

The x2hrs are bad for imaging and detail I can confirm. I still use my Astros for competitive. He's right about things seeming closer or further away like footsteps.

Even at £109 I'd struggle to recommend them for critical listening. I'm guessing they're over hyped as x2s are people's first step into the audiophile world.