CS:GO Discussion
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I started playing on an alt account yesterday to help out a guy in the office who is new to the game.
I played for around three hours last night on DM and have nearly hit the first rank. I'm not sure what all the complaining is about. If you want to accelerate the process with XP bonuses then get the mission pack which will speed the process up.
Its £4. less than the price of a beer in a pub.
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You're rank 8 because you play competitive, you get loads more xp playing competitive compared to the other game modes, even if you do well.
DM is like 20% of your score iirc, not half of it, on another forum I thought it was funny when someone posted about how quick it is to get rank 3 while showing a screenshot of how much xp Overwatch gives. In the screenshot it showed that they got ~160xp for a DM including the full 300% weekly bonus.
DM is like 20% of your score iirc, not half of it, on another forum I thought it was funny when someone posted about how quick it is to get rank 3 while showing a screenshot of how much xp Overwatch gives. In the screenshot it showed that they got ~160xp for a DM including the full 300% weekly bonus.
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I dunno Ryan, i'd say it's nicer than saying what we all really feel about him
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Thanks i didn't realise the pack would speed up the process. I will get that.
Competitive games i find much more rewarding even being at a low rank. I don't have much time for gaming, maybe a few hours a week, so wasting that time on games/modes that aren't fun is not ideal.
Surely it's understandable to people that up until last week i could play this game mode for a game i've been playing over a year (albeit it not very often) without issue, and now I am not. They have basically removed a feature that was previously there and now require me to do something i don't want to do to get it back.
I understand and actually agree with the reasons for the rank 3 limit, but for me (and quite a few others if the Steam forum is any guide) it doesn't really fit the purpose. Once again from Valve - good idea, terrible execution.
67 hours logged isnt a long time, ive got around 400 hours logged and still dont consider this a long time.
i think the rank 3 is pretty lenient to be honest.
dont play DM is the main rule. it takes longer to rank up.
its a step in the right direction at least but it hasn't deterred the hackers as they just hack in casual to start with.
i play for fun, its not fun against hackers thats for sure but then in say the last 10 games ive experienced 1 hacker so its not exactly every game.
cevo/esea is always an option if the hackers really do bother people.
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As you say though the hackers will find an easy way around it. So all it really does is stop people like myself who play very casually but still like competitive.
I feel like you are missing the point. They have closed off a part of the game that was open to me before. I can see that for those that can game for several hours a day this is arbitrary, but for those of us with limited time to play it's annoying and there seems to be little to no reason. I am not good, but i played the objective and communicate with my team.
67 is not a lot, but it should be more than enough to prove i know how to play the game.
this is the issue though really. you could just log in and minimise if the restriction was based on time played. an idle server or whatever would mean that the limitation would be nothing but a small inconvenience.
at least the XP is skill based and requires actual game play to complete.
volvo have said that they will assess the requirement for MM access dynamically so it may be a case that they up it or decrease it in future.
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That's a good point i didn't think about actual game time. Ho hum, guess i'll get cracking on some xp.
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The XP requirement isn't skill based, you could just play DM and go 1-30 and eventually you'd hit rank 3.
Valve could fix the problem (as far as I'm concerned anyway) by just adding unranked competitive mode, with exactly the same rules and matchmaking, but without ranks (ie what pretty much every other competitive game does), but they won't do that
.The fact they're talking about upping the rank requirements puts me off grinding to rank 3 massively since me and my friend play so rarely it wouldn't surprise me to find that by the time we hit rank 3 they've decided they want it to be higher and we're stuck facing the same grind again.
it is absolutely skill based, how is it not? if you are crap at the game, it is going to take you a long time to hit rank 3. if you are mediocre like me then you can achieve a rank in about three hours of game time. I'm sure it would be even quicker for a more skilful player.
your only argument is that you don't play enough to achieve the rank requirements. I play once a week and a bit at lunchtimes and I have hit the requirement easily. The limit is put in place to bring up the standard of matchmaking, its not hard to understand that. If you don't play often enough to have hit rank 3 since XP was introduced then it is arguable if you should be entering competitive games anyway.
Valve could fix the problem (as far as I'm concerned anyway) by just adding unranked competitive mode, with exactly the same rules and matchmaking, but without ranks (ie what pretty much every other competitive game does), but they won't do that
they have this though? its called casual. an unranked competitive mode would be absolute carnage. are you seriously telling me that you and your pal would like to play a game against a five man stack of LEMs? I can imagine that being zero on the fun scale.
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It's not skill based because anyone can get rank 3, no matter how bad they are, it just takes a different amount of time.
Getting 5000xp in 3 hours (ignoring queue/loading/voting etc) of DM means you need to get 278xp per game which without the bonus is 1400 points. The bonus doesn't last very long, I got a quarter of a level and it was already down from 300% to 100% before then.
With a 100% bonus (no idea how long this lasts) you'd need 60 kills every game with an assault rifle to get a rank from 18 DMs, I get like a quarter of that (meaning about 12 hours, or 6 weeks for me and my friend to play competitive again), and half of the people had worse scores than me.
As for "bring up the standard of matchmaking", how does that even matter? The entire point in having matchmaking is that you play with people of your skill level. How bad the people at the bottom are makes no difference to the people that are above that level because they're matched against better people.
Getting 5000xp in 3 hours (ignoring queue/loading/voting etc) of DM means you need to get 278xp per game which without the bonus is 1400 points. The bonus doesn't last very long, I got a quarter of a level and it was already down from 300% to 100% before then.
With a 100% bonus (no idea how long this lasts) you'd need 60 kills every game with an assault rifle to get a rank from 18 DMs, I get like a quarter of that (meaning about 12 hours, or 6 weeks for me and my friend to play competitive again), and half of the people had worse scores than me.
As for "bring up the standard of matchmaking", how does that even matter? The entire point in having matchmaking is that you play with people of your skill level. How bad the people at the bottom are makes no difference to the people that are above that level because they're matched against better people.
and that different amount of time is exactly what will cause things to be different for these players. they will have to actually play the game to get to the rank regardless of how long it takes them. this time is for practising and learning the game.
the beauty of it, as you said is that ANYONE can get rank 3. yet here you are going on about how unachievable it is?
the amount of time you have spent on this thread bleating on about what a crap idea the rank cap is, you could have spent in game getting to rank 3.
play faceit/cevo/esea job done (faceit/cevo are free). playing for 1 night a week or hour a week or whatever you play means you dont really care about your rank so why does playing MM really matter at all. faceit/cevo are like MM and you can play as a team against others which are doing similar (much like MM but without the Rank aspect)
ps. 60 kills in a DM isnt that dificult i dont think. i got 40 kills using a deagle only the other day.
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Maybe, but then I'd still have to grind to rank 3 with my friend, so there's not much point grinding by myself.
I never said it was unattainable, I said it was a load of weeks playing something we don't like.
Aren't most of the players a higher rank on there though? Atm (well, pre rank requirements) we'd play against Silver 4s and it'd be even matches in general, I always thought the skill level is higher on cevo/faceit, I wouldn't find it fun being the guy that lets the team down every single game if we're playing against a load of . If I'd be able to get matches with/against other low ranked people on those that might just be what we do though.
I think the last DM I did 2 people had more than 30 kills or something
.It's not that playing ranked matters, it's the matchmaking system and the rules and maps (and ability to choose map) of competitive that I care about.