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flighty said:
Yea i remember being able to see half the map from those boosts, pretty much the same
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Rules don't state how effective boosts are. NiP pixel walked on overpass too.

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Nobody bats an eyelid because it's NiP. Then again, Fnatic used the same boost in their game too :p

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The__Malteser said:
Look, it is a ridiculous boost that breaks the game, but the boosts on inferno A and B site, and the one on bottom banana were equally game breaking. There is no reason why you can defend a bomb site from the ceiling. Yet nobody complained about it because it wasn't in a major.

Yes, it is crappy and dirty, but it shows Fnatic did their homework on the map and they were rewarded. YES IT IS CHEAP, but so many boosts like this existed and nobody really cared about it.
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They aren't even close to being game breaking, they were stupid, but they could be used once and thats about it, as frankly its a dumb ass place to sit as you can't move so will just get pre-fired into oblivion (hence why it was really only used at all at lower levels) you are also especially on the B one completely useless once your there as you can only do anything once the site has been taken, and even then only if someone decides to go new box, and if you have to rotate it's a pain to get out of.

plus i dont think sitting on ninja spot on A or B gave you any intel of any use other than "yep they have planted a/b" which is rather stating the obvious.
 
The__Malteser said:
Rules don't state how effective boosts are. NiP pixel walked on overpass too.

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Nobody bats an eyelid because it's NiP. Then again, Fnatic used the same boost in their game too :p

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I think its more nobody bats an eyelid because they didn't win 13 rounds in a row because of one boost, fnatic could have used the same boost nip used and no one would care

And i wasn't commenting on the inferno boosts being allowed or disallowed by the rules, i was just saying that your comment about them being equally game breaking is just wrong
 
The__Malteser said:
Rules don't state how effective boosts are. NiP pixel walked on overpass too.

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Nobody bats an eyelid because it's NiP. Then again, Fnatic used the same boost in their game too :p

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Its ok, pixelwalking isn't against the rules now :confused:

even though it's been against the rules of every other cs:go tournament since year 0, and in dh last year, and the rules that suddenly dont exist you just loose the round where the boost is used, which would penalise LDLC 1 round and Fnatic 13.

It's all a touch dodgy to me.
 
Spud21 said:
They aren't even close to being game breaking, they were stupid, but they could be used once and thats about it, as frankly its a dumb ass place to sit as you can't move so will just get pre-fired into oblivion (hence why it was really only used at all at lower levels) you are also especially on the B one completely useless once your there as you can only do anything once the site has been taken, and even then only if someone decides to go new box, and if you have to rotate it's a pain to get out of.

plus i dont think sitting on ninja spot on A or B gave you any intel of any use other than "yep they have planted a/b" which is rather stating the obvious.
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But that is not the point is it?

The rule being violated is no pixelwalking. Simple as. There is a place near mid doors where you can jump on the wall and see short over the mid smoke. Once again, not too OP but still a clear case of rule breaking.

One of the casters said that in an old CS tournament, one team managed to lob nades through a glitch in the skybox and it was very effective.

This boost is semi effective because if you know he is there, you can 'easily' pre-aim waaaay before the guy manages to make the jump. Look how quick this guy gets there.


It was only effective because LDLC was taken by surprise. Yes, it is a ****** boost, but so are all the other pixel walking boosts. LDLC had a similar boost, not as effective, but still containing pixel walking and broken textures. it is just a badly optimized map, I won't deny that, but I don't fully blame Fnatic.

EDIT: I never said it is not against the rules. What I simply said is that it is equal to any other type of pixel walking in terms of rules. If you use a calculator during your maths exam (when you are not allowed to) or you copy your friend, you still cheated either way, although one is more effective than the other.
 
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nik, no one is arguing that the other boosts are/should be legal while this one isn't.

you said "but the boosts on inferno A and B site, and the one on bottom banana were equally game breaking."

Me and spud are just saying that they are no where near as game breaking
 
The__Malteser said:
But that is not the point is it?

The rule being violated is no pixelwalking. Simple as. There is a place near mid doors where you can jump on the wall and see short over the mid smoke. Once again, not too OP but still a clear case of rule breaking.

One of the casters said that in an old CS tournament, one team managed to lob nades through a glitch in the skybox and it was very effective.

This boost is semi effective because if you know he is there, you can 'easily' pre-aim waaaay before the guy manages to make the jump. Look how quick this guy gets there.


It was only effective because LDLC was taken by surprise. Yes, it is a ****** boost, but so are all the other pixel walking boosts. LDLC had a similar boost, not as effective, but still containing pixel walking and broken textures. it is just a badly optimized map, I won't deny that, but I don't fully blame Fnatic.

EDIT: I never said it is not against the rules. What I simply said is that it is equal to any other type of pixel walking in terms of rules. If you use a calculator during your maths exam (when you are not allowed to) or you copy your friend, you still cheated either way, although one is more effective than the other.
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Who the hell do you blame then? Overpass is by a long, long way the newest map played at this level, so has glitches and bugs, if the people most likely to find these exploits are just going to sit on them rather than telling valve so they can fix the map, whats the bloody point.

As i said, if they just came across the spot by accident during the game i don't think anyone can complain, but to find a boost spot that completely breaks the game even more than fnatics hax :D and just sit on it until you are getting battered is clearly dodgy as ****.
 
flighty said:
nik, no one is arguing that the other boosts are/should be legal while this one isn't.

you said "but the boosts on inferno A and B site, and the one on bottom banana were equally game breaking."

Me and spud are just saying that they are no where near as game breaking
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They re, because a normal player would never look there (unless he knew of the spot). Put him there in a 1v1 or something and he will be guaranteed the round assuming he doesn't know of the spot. It's just a place which you can't be and you are. In fact, they were patched out (as should be). It gives you an advantage you should not have. While these sneaky spots are very effective for the people who find them, they are not balanced and should be totally removed.
Spud21 said:
Who the hell do you blame then? Overpass is by a long, long way the newest map played at this level, so has glitches and bugs, if the people most likely to find these exploits are just going to sit on them rather than telling valve so they can fix the map, whats the bloody point.

As i said, if they just came across the spot by accident during the game i don't think anyone can complain, but to find a boost spot that completely breaks the game even more than fnatics hax :D and just sit on it until you are getting battered is clearly dodgy as ****.
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Well, nobody is at fault. Fnatic played with what they were given. They broke the rules in the process (as did LDLC and NiP), but why are the players held responsible? It would have been perfectly legal to do it on MM for example, as there no pixelwalking rule. Is it dirty/cheap etc.? Yes, obviously.
 
The inferno boosts are no where near as game breaking, they should/would have worked once or twice on players who didn't know about them, and they leave your team at a disadvantage initially because they are defending a site with 1 less player.

With this boost the player is still actively defending A site, he's even helping to defend b site, you effectively have 3 players on both sites, and look how long it took ldlc to realise where he was.

Put the inferno boosts back in and wipe a teams memory of it and see how many times the opposite team get away with it, its not going to be 13 rounds in a row.

Im sorry but there's no logic you can use to say that the inferno boosts are even near as game breaking as that was

Edit, in fact i remember the first few times the inferno site ninja boosts were used against me, i got killed once maybe twice before i realised where they were attacking from, the bomb got ninja'd a few times before someone realised they should stick around and keep a closer eye on it, it was not that hard to counter and like i said, put the ct team at a disadvantage because they only had 4 players actively defending sites
 
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The fact that they sat on it for two months doesn't bother me, this is their job after all and they'll do what they need to (within limits) to get an advantage over someone else to earn their keep. The only part that bothers me is obviously the fact that it's also a god spot so you can't be shot, if that wasn't the case I wouldn't care at all.

It's fnatic though, seems like they're doing all they can to make people hate them right now, krimz and olof are the only two I like from that team :< krimz looked devastated when he lost that final bomb defend in the last round as T, only saw him and olof show any form of emotion.

I hope we see a Na'Vi vs NiP/VP final!
 
There was a video last night showing the boost could see to the exit of tspawn as well as the entrance to both sites sitting on this bug for 2 months and only showing it at dhw is poor sportsmanship by them tbh

Iam glad it's being replayed
 
At no point have DHW rules been made available to the public, so all this rage and whining has been utterly pointless. Yes, its an unfair spot but LDLC could have found it and utilised it too. I dislike Fnatic, but not for the boost - JW is the ugliest person Ive seen in a long time, flusha is disgusting and I dislike their attitudes, they seem to think themselves aloof.
 
Cookeh said:
At no point have DHW rules been made available to the public, so all this rage and whining has been utterly pointless. Yes, its an unfair spot but LDLC could have found it and utilised it too. I dislike Fnatic, but not for the boost - JW is the ugliest person Ive seen in a long time, flusha is disgusting and I dislike their attitudes, they seem to think themselves aloof.
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It still brings the game into disrepute. The whole situation is ridiculous.
 
I agree with Thorin in that people aren't judging this objectively. That A site needs sorting out, more than one position you can gain information from that otherwise you wouldn't be able to get.

LDLC used a similar boost to get as much information as they could, I think it's pretty clear the ONLY reason they didn't use Fnatics boost is ignorance. Neither boost should be possible, but one teams boost was more effective than the other.

Anders said he spoke to a number of pros and they all said if they had that up their sleeves, they would use it too. There's many spots over many maps where pixelwalking is possible but it hasn't been patched out.

Any team would've done what Fnatic did, this ****storm is purely because people can't think for themselves. If you are going to DQ teams for pixelwalking or using boosts to gain unfair advantages, Fnatic, LDLC, NiP should all be removed from the tournament and maybe a few others. LDLC should consider themselves lucky to have another opportunity to progress.

That said - a replay was the only outcome from the start commercially speaking. All these people claiming they're sickened and making empty threats that they're going to boycott or quit watching, get a grip. The viewer numbers will be higher than ever after this.
 
Map replay is probably best. I'd rather it was a completely random map not a repeat but whatever

I wouldnt blame the players, they are naturally going to try everything possible to succeed. Its a dirty trick but a lot of games are people dodging bullets using netcode lag, also seems silly to me. They'll fix it but it should never have been possible so its mostly devs fault

I bet Nip and I guess Navi is too much of a stretch later, I do hope LDLC wins but they might not after a bad nights sleep

smoke to try later
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