*** Cyberpunk 2077 ***

I've just about got enough energy to play this again in short bursts. I find you really have to look for your way to get enjoyment out of it if you know what I mean. I'm trying to be stealthy as much as possible, but I feel like I'm fighting the game to get the best out of it.

Also, I always say with these types of games, don't worry about the driving, You will get used to it eventually, but there is no getting used to this. Something like Sleeping Dogs had terrible driving, but in the end I just got used to it. The GTA games I'll get used to. This is unplayable!
Use bikes, I found them easier to get around on myself. Though I personally did get used to driving in this game. Though I do agree it is not very good on keyboard and mouse, it is much better with a controller.

I am actually playing Red Dead Redemption 2 at the moment and using the controller for everything until there is a fight I just put the controller down and use keyboard and mouse :p
 
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Yes, Items can only be "upgraded" a limited amount of times. Once they hit that limit they disappear from the Upgrade page. Additionally, different weapons (and clothes too) can be upgraded a varying amount of times, which is why it can be confusing as one item can be upgraded 10 times yet others only 2-3 and a few only once.

From a lot of the YT videos I've watched, I think the general consensus is that most items can be upgraded 10 times but I haven't seen that defined regularity myself and I know certain Legendary items only got 1 upgrade during my play-throughs.

Ah, I see. Cheers. I thought it was strange because I was able to upgrade the legendary katana I had, about 5 times.
 
Use bikes, I found them easier to get around on myself. Though I personally did get used to driving in this game. Though I do agree it is not very good on keyboard and mouse, it it much better with a controller.

I am actually playing Red Dead Redemption 2 at the moment and using the controller for everything until there is a fight I just put the controller down and use keyboard and mouse :p

Yep, the bikes are much better - get something like Yaiba Kusanagi CT-3X and dont look back.

Also the cars are quire wildly different in terms of controlabiliity. The faster ones are not nessesarily best by any means.
 
I have another question if anyone can answer. I am just really starting to use Smart guns. My understanding is that I need to aim, hip fire from them doesn't work, and keep whoever I am shooting at in the blue box, for want of a better word. Is this correct?

It is just most of the time this works and I can shoot people. Sometimes however, even if they are out in the open, bullets fly from the gun, but I have no idea where they go as the enemy doesn't take any damage.
Have you got the smart gun targeting cyberware?
 
Can't say I found bikes that great - they have some odd glitches at speed where the handling is just odd and counter-intuitive (albeit I'm not an experienced biker but goes against any understanding of physics I have).

TBH the biggest issue for me is if I don't know where I'm going the mini-map is so zoomed in often by the time you realise a turning is coming up it is way too late to adjust your speed and position to prepare for it. That and sometimes you just don't have the fine granular control needed to ease between 2 vehicle where the minimum input isn't enough and the next step up of input is far too much - always a factor on keys to be fair but seems to have a level of unpredictability in this game I've not experienced since late 90s/early 2000s games.
 
Use bikes, I found them easier to get around on myself. Though I personally did get used to driving in this game. Though I do agree it is not very good on keyboard and mouse, it is much better with a controller.

I am actually playing Red Dead Redemption 2 at the moment and using the controller for everything until there is a fight I just put the controller down and use keyboard and mouse :p
Thats some next gen tactical switching right there! Do you do the whole through the controller over your shoulder and do a barrel roll over to your keyboard and mouse? :p
 
Thats some next gen tactical switching right there! Do you do the whole through the controller over your shoulder and do a barrel roll over to your keyboard and mouse? :p
Lol. Only played it a couple of hours so far and just testing it out to see how it goes. One of the main reasons I am actually doing it is because I used keyboard and mouse so much in games lately I getting some discomfort in a couple of my fingers that need to continually press say W or Shift. Takes a while to recover, so thought I would give them a break by using a controller. Got the latest Xbox controller which is nice :)
 
Lol. Only played it a couple of hours so far and just testing it out to see how it goes. One of the main reasons I am actually doing it is because I used keyboard and mouse so much in games lately I getting some discomfort in a couple of my fingers that need to continually press say W or Shift. Takes a while to recover, so thought I would give them a break by using a controller. Got the latest Xbox controller which is nice :)
Makes sense, i had some issues with my left hand/forearm where the tendons felt abit tight after long duration's of gaming, would get abit shaky too. It's not as bad now but i know when i've been on for too long as my fingers tighten up.

You'll have to get even more tactical and start playing with your toes haha :p
 
The new xbox seris x pad, whilst it has only one good addition, the textured surfaces, is the same as the old pad, but slightly smaller for a childs hands.

That's not great for an adult. That might well be the cause of your issue. I too find it uncomforable after an hour or so.

My old 360 pad is better, and thats really old tech. I put up with the new pad as it's wireless.
 
It really is amazing. I just did a little experiment out or interest. I stood in the street and kept turning from left to right to left to right etc watching the pedestrians. They appear and disappear whenever the game decides they should!
 
I've just about got enough energy to play this again in short bursts. I find you really have to look for your way to get enjoyment out of it if you know what I mean. I'm trying to be stealthy as much as possible, but I feel like I'm fighting the game to get the best out of it.

I'm sure I'll get >50 hours of fun from it, so it meets my "£1 per hour" rough personal guideline for good value for money in a game. I've played it for ~20 hours so far and I'm still enjoying it despite the flaws. I agree that you have to fight the game to get the best out of it, though. There's a lot that's badly done and/or unfinished, especially in the UI. That matters, since the UI is what connects the player with the game.

Also, I always say with these types of games, don't worry about the driving, You will get used to it eventually, but there is no getting used to this. Something like Sleeping Dogs had terrible driving, but in the end I just got used to it. The GTA games I'll get used to. This is unplayable!

I thought that initially, but now I'm getting around on Jackie's bike without any major problems. By far the biggest factor was taking my hand off the mouse when I got on a bike or in a car. The camera autoadjusts (not well, admittedly, but it does do it) as long as there hasn't been any mouse movement in the last couple of seconds and the vehicle is moving forwards. So I get on, move the camera to a usable position and then take my hand off the mouse and get going. Also, I found that 3rd person is effectively required when driving/riding in this game. 1st person is of course usually far better for driving (and almost everything else), but in this game due to the deficiencies of the driving 3rd person is better.

It helps that it's almost impossible to crash seriously or to do much damage your vehicle and even if you do then your vehicle is auto-repaired for a trivial fee when you summon it again. The only time I've come off the bike is when I hit a lampost at ~100. I lost ~50 health, so I ate a bar of chocolate and healed completely in about 20 seconds because that's how it works in this game. Walked back to my bike, which was undamaged, and set off again.

I'm now fine with the riding in Cyberpunk 2077 despite the fact that I'm using a keyboard for it. On top of that, I have to use WASD for the bike and that's a very poor control setup for riding/driving. It's not unplayable. It's badly implemented, but it's not unplayable. 3rd person, hand off the mouse and it's playable. I've started doing some light off-roading to shorten journey times and do some exploration, some light jumping for fun or just cruising around with the radio on. It's playable. It's not good, but it's playable.

I would suggest a bike rather than a car, mainly due to the traffic. There's also a mod for the minimap which allows you to zoom out. That's useful when using a vehicle and following a line to a destination because it gives you more notice of an upcoming turn. I haven't installed it yet, but I might. I miss turns sometimes because of the short notice in the unmodded game.
 
It really is amazing. I just did a little experiment out or interest. I stood in the street and kept turning from left to right to left to right etc watching the pedestrians. They appear and disappear whenever the game decides they should!

Here's another oddity - the cars in the background drive around regardless of whether you can see them or not. There's no car AI at all, it's just some simple scripting. There are some glitches (of course there are) that make it possible to get to the top of a very tall building and then glitch out of the gameworld. If you do, you can see all the cars in the city moving around far below.

I know that "AI" in games is fake AI anyway in the sense that the vehicles, NPCs, etc don't have any true intelligence, but the pseudo-AI in Cyberpunk 2077 is as badly faked as a "Ferrari" that's actually a Ford Fiesta with some cardboard "body parts" duct-taped to it and spray-painted the wrong shade of red by someone using cheap craft paint.
 
If you want to see the scripting fail then afk at a junction.

The scripts are too shallow to keep the traffic decision making going under sustained observation and rely on being reset frequently by the character only observing any given area for a brief period.
 
Oh man, I LOVE how intricate & interconnected all the events in this game are. It's just a shame it will be so easily missed by most people (including myself). When I played through it (twice!) I thought the questline was a bit of a missed opportunity and incomplete, but had I known all the other minor points I would've felt very differently. Major spoilers ahead!

 
Here's another oddity - the cars in the background drive around regardless of whether you can see them or not. There's no car AI at all, it's just some simple scripting. There are some glitches (of course there are) that make it possible to get to the top of a very tall building and then glitch out of the gameworld. If you do, you can see all the cars in the city moving around far below.

I know that "AI" in games is fake AI anyway in the sense that the vehicles, NPCs, etc don't have any true intelligence, but the pseudo-AI in Cyberpunk 2077 is as badly faked as a "Ferrari" that's actually a Ford Fiesta with some cardboard "body parts" duct-taped to it and spray-painted the wrong shade of red by someone using cheap craft paint.

The distant map has 2D traffic that constantly moves - even when there is nothing on the roads in between you and it.

There is some problem with the traffic though - in some situations when outside the city you think the roads are quiet despite the distant traffic but occasionally for 2-3 frames you will see dense (3D) traffic all around you, but then it is gone again a moment later and doesn't seem to physically connect with the game at all. I don't think the roads outside the city are intended to be as quiet as they are.
 
It really is amazing. I just did a little experiment out or interest. I stood in the street and kept turning from left to right to left to right etc watching the pedestrians. They appear and disappear whenever the game decides they should!
You imagined your expectations of the game wrong. The game is perfect :D
 
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