*** Cyberpunk 2077 ***

Junglist said:
Is it worth jumping in now or waiting until the patches due next month?
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That depends on what you're expecting.

If you're expecting the game Cyberpunk 2077 was advertised as being, no. It's not that game. It won't be that game after next month's patch, either.

If you can ignore the advertising or haven't seen it, then maybe. It's not a bad game in itself, the gameworld is excellent and some of the storytelling is excellent. Some isn't. I suspect the difference is between the parts of the game they actually finished and the parts they hastily cobbled together when it reached the stage of "the release date is next month and we have at least a year's worth of work left".

I played it for >100 hours on a very complete playthrough. Now I'm playing it again on a second playthrough with a different character and I'm still enjoying it. But I never saw any of the advertising before playing the game and I have a high tolerance for buggy unfinished games with a good gameworld. Although I am frequently irritated by the unfinished stories. You find a datashard or terminal entry...and it's empty, doesn't even have a title. You find another...and it refers to things that haven't happened. You find another...and it's a clue to something that doesn't exist. The fact that the game simply isn't finished can grate on the player, especially if they're the kind of player who treats open world games as primarily exploration games, exploring everywhere and reading everything. Some of the equipment mods...do nothing. Some of the perks...do nothing. They simply weren't finished.

The ingame economy is so exploitable that you can't entirely avoid exploiting it even if you try. For example, once you have enough crafting skill and perks (which you will want as crafting is very useful) you can craft some things and then disassemble them...and get more parts than you started with and parts of a higher tier than you started with. But in some cases you have to craft multiple items because the tier you get is random. For example, the armadillo mod is very useful for armour. You'll want to craft the epic version of the mod because it's better than common, uncommon and rare versions of the mod. Legendary would be better, but you can't craft that. OK...craft Armadillo mod, choose epic tier. Nope. Can't do that. You have to craft the mod repeatedly, getting a random tier up to the best tier you can make. Then you have to disassemble the ones you don't want...which leaves you with more common, uncommon and rare components than you started with. If you want to exploit the ingame economy, you can start at L1 with a can of pop and end up with infinite money and components, just from crafting alone with no crafting skills or perks. That's the most extreme case. There are a variety of more efficient ways to do it.

The UI is poop on a stick when it comes to inventory management and crafting. If you're doing any degree of crafting, you'll want to edit a config file to reduce the crafting time and probably the disassembly time too. Installing a mod for bulk crafting wouldn't be a bad idea if you're playing a character into crafting.

Driving is laughably bad. Don't even bother with a car. The only good use for a car is to act as a mobile stash. The stash is in the boot of the car (except for a few exotic cars that don't have a boot) and is shared across all cars. You can summon a car to almost anywhere very easily (they have autopilot) so that's very handy. But running is faster than a car in the city (which is most of the gameworld) and quite often faster in the badlands because you can go offroad on foot. You can go offroad in a car, but only some cars are really capable of offroading. The handling of all cars is atrocious, 1st person view is bordering on unusable and the navigation minimap is too small so you will miss turns and the traffic is too heavy for a car to be usable in many parts of the city. A motorbike is a much better choice as a vehicle and all motorbikes can go offroad very effectively. Plus there's a lot of fast travel points you can use once you've discovered them, so after a while you'll be able to run to a nearby teleporter, teleport to somewhere near your destination and run to your destination. Or summon your bike when you emerge from the teleporter and ride to your destination. Travelling is fine. Just not in a car.

There's still a lot in the game, despite it being clearly rushed to release with bits cut out and bits just not done. I paid the full £50 for it direct from GOG and I think I'm getting good value for money from it.

The radio is top quality. Tonight, for example, I had a 5.1Km journey (almost all the way across the map) to get to a location to loot a piece of clothing I wanted. I summoned my bike to ride to a fast travel point...and rode the whole way because "Good morning Night City" came on the radio. So yeah, riding time.



A quick PSA for when you encounter a bug. Minor bugs are common. Things remaining on screen when they shouldn't (e.g. the window showing the description of an item, your weapon's sight, etc). An NPC you're escorting remaining motionless in a doorway, trapping you. Being unable to use some of your abilities or to change your equipment when you should be able to (the "action blocked" bug). Stuff like that.

i) Save the game and then immediately load that save. That fixes the great majority of bugs very quickly with no gameplay lost.
ii) If (i) doesn't work, trigger a cutscene. The most reliable way to do that is to hire a prostitute. There are 2 in Kabuki, shown by lips on the map. That fixes almost all bugs not fixed by (i).
 
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When you have double jump you can cue up sprint/jump combinations and travel huge distances quickly.

I actually found a couple of the vehicles useable though the best one was IIRC one of the Miltec SUVs which doesn't seem to be purchasable in any form. Though you still have the issue that the mini-map is so zoomed in you don't have enough heads up on turns in time to compensate for the driving model.
 
Angilion said:
That depends on what you're expecting.

If you're expecting the game Cyberpunk 2077 was advertised as being, no. It's not that game. It won't be that game after next month's patch, either.
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It won't ever be that game. To me its worth a £10 punt. There's plenty of other games out there.
 
I purchased a while back and got a refund shortly after, but am tempted to try it again now.

How important is the hacking in this for progressing, that's one part I didn't particularly like. I would rather not bother with it.
 
@Angilion - Woah, you didn't have to go through all of that - super thorough post, many thanks!

I think I'm going to risk it. It seems for £18 it's worth the risk and the general consensus seems to be it's good - but not as good as it could've been - if you ignore the flaws. Luckily I tend not to follow games I'm interested in too much as I like a surprise so I don't know everything which was promised.

That overpromise/undelivered video did amuse me though. I've wasted money on worse games!
 
It may not be the game you envisaged or believed were promised but, it's still a great game! I did around 70% of the side quests and was still disappointed when the main story was over as I wasn't ready for it to be over yet, I was still having fun. You're denying yourself a great gaming experience with these emotional reactions. It is what it is. Move on and enjoy the game.
 
I don’t feel it has gotten a lot better since launch unfortunately - I hope the bigger patches will fix the game up, but it’s a little way off yet before it’s fully bug free.

But I’m not saying the game isn’t fun - I am loving the gunplay and general mechanics of the game. People saying it’s worth £10 max are being way overly dramatic - yes the game is buggy as hell, but it’s still an absolutely massive open world RPG with a lot of fun to be had! I think I’m about 40hrs in at the moment and can see me sinking many more into it. It’s well worth £30 in my eyes, and I’d love to see more games in the style of Cyberpunk.

But pre-warning - if you’re like me, and love games for their story and the way their stories are told and interacted with - then prepare to be a little disappointed. I will definitely need to replay once it gets fully fixed up, because entire cutscenes and parts of the story were ruined in my current play-through due to bugs. But the gameplay is decent enough to continue through.

Edit: Angilion‘s post above explains it perfectly to be fair.
 
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beachBOYken said:
I purchased a while back and got a refund shortly after, but am tempted to try it again now.

How important is the hacking in this for progressing, that's one part I didn't particularly like. I would rather not bother with it.
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My first play through I didn't bother with putting any points into hacking was OK couple of points it wasn't ideal but nothing stopping someone playing it as a straight shooter.
 
Angilion said:
i) Save the game and then immediately load that save. That fixes the great majority of bugs very quickly with no gameplay lost.
ii) If (i) doesn't work, trigger a cutscene. The most reliable way to do that is to hire a prostitute. There are 2 in Kabuki, shown by lips on the map. That fixes almost all bugs not fixed by (i).
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Thanks I’ll give this a try!

Absolutely cracks me up though, that the workaround is to go hire a hooker :D
 
Nah £10 seems about right, they delivered 20% of what was promised, they get 20%. Plus it won't run fast enough on a 3070 so there's that. I'll play it on a 4070 when those are in stock ;)
 
keyser said:
Nah £10 seems about right, they delivered 20% of what was promised, they get 20%. Plus it won't run fast enough on a 3070 so there's that. I'll play it on a 4070 when those are in stock ;)
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I’m running it on a 3070, all settings set to max, barely ever dipping below 70fps. I’m happy with that.
 
agnes said:
I have a 3090 and manage 70fps at 3440x1440 with everything max, I think you're telling porkies lol
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2560x1440 on my 3070FE sits at ~60 FPS with all settings maxed except the two psycho settings on ultra with DLSS quality - but the game seems quite inconsistent performance wise hardware to hardware some can only average 45 FPS with the same resolution / settings on a 3070 or even 3080 which somewhat seems to depend on CPU.

EDIT: I had a weird bug with the game on the release patch where setting 4K resolution was running barely slower than 1440p and mostly sitting at ~70 FPS but after the first update started running more like the performance you'd expect on a 3070 at 4K - comparing screenshots it looks like it was somehow running DLSS performance mode even though I had it set to quality.
 
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My laptop with i7 7700 and GTX 1070 can run it 4K >30fps at low settings if needs be and, other than some lighting issues, it still looks absolutely stunning and runs just fine at 30fps. This isn't CS:GO, you don't need 200+fps, its all about visual spectacle and story so anything over 60fps is mostly overkill.
 
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