Cycle RAGE!!!!!

[Phil99]

Welcome to a large part of the highway code - still enough people are generally law abiding enough to stop it becoming chaos.

Indeed, but pavement cycling and red light skipping laws already exist. They're just all too infrequently enforced.

I guess the point I'm really driving at is that licensing cycles seems like a good idea on paper, but in the real world I can't see it having a meaningful effect for the reasons I've put forward in my previous posts. Yes, you could implement it, but it would be impractical and expensive. There's a reason why countries and cities that have had such schemes in the past don't have them now.

If we put more resources in to road policing in general we might actually get somewhere. When police have had crackdowns on red light jumping they've been able to successfully stop and fine people with little effort, and that's without license plates.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

All cycles should be registered and all users pay compulsory insurance.

Agreed, they may actually be accountable for their actions.

No they shouldn't

And do you seriously think that's realistic?!

It works for the millions of cars out there.

 

[Bear]

Agreed, they may actually be accountable for their actions.

It works for the millions of cars out there.

And yet it doesnt stop motorists offending, funny that.

 

[CaptainRAVE]

And yet it doesnt stop motorists offending, funny that.

But it does mean it can be followed up, thereby reducing the number of offences. Cyclists currently have a get out of every situation free card and blame everyone else in the process.

 

[jpaul]

There's a reason why countries and cities that have had such schemes in the past don't have them now.

who tried it and discontinued it ? does seem there is a proposal in north carolina to institute a system. $10 a year tax

UK seems to be low on mortality versus other eu countries so we can use that as an excuse to do nothing
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road...es/pdf/statistics/dacota/bfs20xx_cyclists.pdf
- an rfid on the cycle might be an alternative to reg plates, for potential red light jumping catching, but obviously not other road user identification.

Cyclists currently have a get out of every situation free card

they don't have a get out of your coffin card ....
badly injured ... but if you look this up "Cyclists are being reminded to put road safety first following the incident that occurred at a busy junction in Cardiff city centre" 2015

so why are new cars not coming with inbuilt dash cams yet ? ... who cares about a reversing camera...
fortunately someone had a dashcam in the case i ref'd

 

[Phil99]

who tried it and discontinued it ? does seem there is a proposal in north carolina to institute a system. $10 a year tax

IIRC the Swiss are the most recent to have had such a scheme and then got rid of it, in 2012 or so I think. Before that I think the Dutch had a scheme in the 1930s which was removed by the Nazis of all people, and then never reinstated.

 

[Jamauk]

I have a dislike of cyclists like many on here, however some drivers can be equally stupid in a lot of different ways. Road fund license would be pointless as electric vehicles zero RFL (although the DVLA do still call it tax!) they have to declare them or register them as SORN though so would just add more admin costs passed onto others that have engines and have to pay, or taking services away from the already underfunded highways.

I think some form of insurance should however be compulsory, but then again how can that be implemented, it's already available, but there are under 15's on the roads so could have a couple of issues, either putting them off cycling which isn't great for the eco mad car hating towns, or the hassle of making it so if they are on an A or B road they need it policing it would be difficult if not impossible. Some form of tagging either the cyclist or an identity card to identify them or something to identify the bike, pointless if someone uninsured borrows a bike and claims if stopped they are person x.

 

[adam cool dude]

50mph slap as you go by him next time

If you find out where he works, trash the bike after he parks it up. Take some cutters and cut it in half lol

This would have been so awesome to watch. Film the guys face as he exits work and sees his bike in two parts.

I never understood the purpose of bikes apart from recreational use. A moped is cheap as chips to run and does exactly the same thing. Only negative is you have to follow the road laws.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Road fund license .

What is this?
Does anybody here pay this?

 

[Resident]

What is this?
Does anybody here pay this?

Don't be a pedant.

Road tax, Road Fund Licence, Vehicle Excise Duty. You know damn well it's the same.

 

[Bear]

I never understood the purpose of bikes apart from recreational use. A moped is cheap as chips to run and does exactly the same thing. Only negative is you have to follow the road laws.

Of course you don't, most car drivers don't and still get nicked despite having camera warning signs and bright yellow painted cameras. What sort of monumental halfwit after all that gets nicked (4 every minute in 2017) and then complains that is a tax on motorists or parks on double yellows and then complains and tries to get out of paying the parking fine and all this despite the car being registered saying who it belongs to?

I was in a cab on Monday from the airport to get to work in Edinburgh and on my 15 minute cab ride I saw 3 people driving whilst on their mobile phones and one Range Rover jump a red light and turn right on a no right turn sign. Four potentially life threatening offences gets over looked, but only cyclists don't follow road laws, you really couldn't make it up. All you bed wetting motorists need to get some perspective, clean up your own acts first, stop killing cyclists, pedestrians and each other first (26.6k KSIs in 2018) then we can talk about the smaller things.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Don't be a pedant.

Road tax, Road Fund Licence, Vehicle Excise Duty. You know damn well it's the same.

No it's not, nobody has paid road tax since 1937.
The myth that road tax exists is one of the primary reasons why motorists treat cyclists the way they do, if I had £1 for the amount of times a motorist has used road tax against me I would have been able to buy a new Gibson Les Paul.
Even my 18 year old Nephew used it against me when he passed his test (see above), "you shouldn't be on the road because you don't pay road tax".
Motorists think they own the road because of this mythical tax.

 

[dod]

This would have been so awesome to watch. Film the guys face as he exits work and sees his bike in two parts.

I never understood the purpose of bikes apart from recreational use. A moped is cheap as chips to run and does exactly the same thing. Only negative is you have to follow the road laws.

Oh the irony of a driver complaining about having to follow the road laws.

 

[jpaul]

yes .. he's trolling, but unless he's used a bike for a period, he doesn't understand that self preservation is paramount in most cyclists mind and to a greater degree that is achieved by following the law.

 

[Nasher]

No it's not, nobody has paid road tax since 1937.
The myth that road tax exists is one of the primary reasons why motorists treat cyclists the way they do, if I had £1 for the amount of times a motorist has used road tax against me I would have been able to buy a new Gibson Les Paul.
Even my 18 year old Nephew used it against me when he passed his test (see above), "you shouldn't be on the road because you don't pay road tax".
Motorists think they own the road because of this mythical tax.

You dont pay the tax unless you are using public roads. Therefore its really a road tax in all but name

 

[adam cool dude]

Oh the irony of a driver complaining about having to follow the road laws.

You can't mount a walkway and avoid traffic lights like you can on a bike. That's what I was getting at with a moped. Please tell me bar excerise what advantage a bike has over a moped with traveling from A-B. Being able to stretch the law is the main one whether you do it or not.

 

[Maccy]

This thread is going nowhere...

 

[Bear]

You dont pay the tax unless you are using public roads. Therefore its really a road tax in all but name

Still hasn't clicked yet has it. You can use the roads using a bicycle or a zero emissions vehicle and no tax is payable so it's hardly a road tax is it.

 

[dod]

You can't mount a walkway and avoid traffic lights like you can on a bike. That's what I was getting at with a moped. Please tell me bar excerise what advantage a bike has over a moped with traveling from A-B. Being able to stretch the law is the main one whether you do it or not.

You could if you wanted to, just look at the spate of scooter crime last year. Most people don't, just as most cyclists don't.

Advantages? It's cheaper; it does less damage to the environment; it reduces road congestion; according to official stats it's actually safer than a moped (see below). Breaking the law was the last thing I thought about when I bought a bike.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7615/CBP-7615.pdf

Anyway, my response was more to do with your obvious chagrin at having to obey the laws of the road in a thread full of complaints about cyclists breaking them.

 

[Nasher]

Still hasn't clicked yet has it. You can use the roads using a bicycle or a zero emissions vehicle and no tax is payable so it's hardly a road tax is it.

You still have to go through the process with a £0 tax car and they wont stay 0 forever (unless pre 2018).

A cyclist isnt treated much different than a pedestrian, so ofc they arent taxed (yet).