[DOD]Asprilla;24680772 said:
Absolutely, for example tractors/slow moving vehicles that have a queue behind them but don't pull in at a reasonable opportunity to let traffic past etc.
Cyclists two abreast on busy 'A' road, selfish?
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Absolutely, for example tractors/slow moving vehicles that have a queue behind them but don't pull in at a reasonable opportunity to let traffic past etc.
Man of Honour
And how many of those have you seen on the road?
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Soldato
One of them is attached to my helmet to it points where I look.
Works much better for saccadic masking and widescreen zoning than hi-viz. Besides, it's high contrast that provides some benefit, rather than hi-viz. Yellow is ok for urban environments, but there is so much of it about that it's impact isn't that great. It's also rubbish on sunny days in the countryside. I find my bright pink rucksack cover is best for getting seen.
Most hi-viz clothing doesn't breath very well either. It's probably OK for bimbling around on cooler days to the shops and such, but riding any great distance or at any reasonable speed generally rules it out for comfort purposes.
Oh come on, you're being deliberately obtuse.
No one is suggesting that a cyclist with out high vis is completely invisible, but wearing one can only help and might help the driver see a cyclist that little bit quicker, which might be enough for them to react appropriately.
Ultimately, I go back to this point:
It's a two way street, neither group should expect the other to be making all the allowances for their preferred road use with no consideration in return.
Cyclists would prefer I drive in a manner that makes their cycling a more pleasant and safe experience.
As a motorist, I would prefer cyclists ride in a manner that makes my driving a more pleasant and safe experience.
Be this overtaking space, riding single file, wearing hi-vis, not cutting cyclists up on left turns etc. I don't understand why the idea that there should be give and take from both parties doesn't seem to be acceptable to some and they feel the other group should make all/more of the concessions to accommodate them.
It's a two way street, neither group should expect the other to be making all the allowances for their preferred road use with no consideration in return.
Cyclists would prefer I drive in a manner that makes their cycling a more pleasant and safe experience.
As a motorist, I would prefer cyclists ride in a manner that makes my driving a more pleasant and safe experience.
Be this overtaking space, riding single file, wearing hi-vis, not cutting cyclists up on left turns etc. I don't understand why the idea that there should be give and take from both parties doesn't seem to be acceptable to some and they feel the other group should make all/more of the concessions to accommodate them.
Soldato
Loads. I've got a couple on my waterproof rucksack and another on the back of my carradice bag. Platypus has them on the seatsays on his bikes. They are a very popular light.
Man of Honour
[DOD]Asprilla;24680832 said:
In which case high vis is less important, but most people don't have these.
0 for me.
Soldato
High contrast with your surroundings haves you visible from the side. This is different to hi-viz.
I would point out that most cycling specific lights these days actually offer side on visibility. The ones I've owned over the past few years are certainly like that with the rear lights especially, they are either translucent to allow light shine through, or they have extra side on LEDs.
While not exactly cycling, but involves a cycle of sorts. I always have my headlights on when riding on my motorcycle as you can guarantee some drivers won't see you, even on a large blue, white & red bike with a 14st, 6ft rider on it 
There's no harm in making yourself more visible to other road users as it's your safety your playing with. You can't complain about other road users if you're dead.
There's no harm in making yourself more visible to other road users as it's your safety your playing with. You can't complain about other road users if you're dead.
So what are you saying? You won't change the way you personally drive until you consider that cyclists as a group have compromised too? I hope not, but that's how it sounds.
As a car driver (which nearly all cyclists will also be) you need to be aware that in an incident with a cyclist they are going to come off far worse than you. Even if you think they're being ******** you should give them space and look out for them because you don't want someone to end up seriously injured or dead.
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Isn't that more reason for the cyclist themselves not to be '********'?
P.S. I don't agree that 'nearly all' cyclists are valid UK driving license holders either.
No, because that would be retarded.
I drive with respect for cyclists. It would be nice if that was met with a similar respect, rather than arrogance and an attitude of 'picking and choosing' which bits of the highway code they think should apply to themselves and others.
What i'm saying is that both groups need to learn that they can't have it all their own way and expect everyone else to accommodate them, something this very thread demonstrates is far from the case on both sides.
Quite how you read my post about 'give and take' and came to the conclusion of 'I will drive like a ***** until I decide all cyclists have changed their behaviour to my liking' is absolutely beyond me though.
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People will do what they want and sadly we can all moan about it as much as we like. Some car drivers don't wear seatbelts, or smoke or use their phone whilst driving. Some cyclists don't realise that just because they can see when it's poor light and they are bumbling along that it is rather difficult for other road users to see them.
Me I value my life and in the car wear my seatbelt and the phone is pocketed until I get to my destination. On the bike I have a 400 lumen front light and two rear cateye flashers (in case batteries die in one) which can be seen flashing form the side. I also have fluro coloured gloves and overshoes
On my bag I have sewn loads of Scotchbrite 2" wide strips that reflect amazingly. After all this though I still have 'incidents' but that said I have them when driving the car. There are morons all around us sadly, all I can do is drive / ride defensively and hope
Me I value my life and in the car wear my seatbelt and the phone is pocketed until I get to my destination. On the bike I have a 400 lumen front light and two rear cateye flashers (in case batteries die in one) which can be seen flashing form the side. I also have fluro coloured gloves and overshoes
On my bag I have sewn loads of Scotchbrite 2" wide strips that reflect amazingly. After all this though I still have 'incidents' but that said I have them when driving the car. There are morons all around us sadly, all I can do is drive / ride defensively and hope 
Man of Honour
83% apparently.
I know for a fact that everybody I know with a cycle also has a car.
Man of Honour
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Soldato
I agree with this 100% im a drver and a cyclist (once a week maybe) and i see other cyclists doing outragous things which makes cars drive dangerously to avoid.
I have seen them pulling out of junctions without looking, which in turn pushes the car onto the wrong side of the road...
Ive also seen a bike force (by not moving or slowing down) a mother to move her pram (with baby) out the way when they were cycling on the pavment due to roadworks (as they can't wait in a queue like normal people)
When i cycle i just pretend im a car, yes i may go down the inside/outside of cars but only whens it's safe.
I feel there needs to be more respect and awareness on each side, I feel cyclist don't respect cars enough now.
Soldato