D600 with full fat AF system!

An Exception · 7 Aug 2012 at 20:38

If this is true, looks like my next camera...

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/08/05/is-this-the-top-lcd-screen-of-the-nikon-d600.aspx/

An Exception · 21 Aug 2012 at 17:40

Yes, and the D800E will provide more real resolution and thus reach than a 7D, just because it does't have an aa filter.

An Exception · 21 Aug 2012 at 18:07

They need one without an AA filter though to provide more res than the D800E.

An Exception · 21 Aug 2012 at 18:20

Damn, the mere mention of an AA filter set's you off. Raymond, it' a feature that affects performance. Please find a way to deal with that.
Personally I'm sick of you trying to bicker with me every chance you get, you almost derailed the 'post your pictures' thread the other day. Whatever chip is on your shoulder, whether it have an AA filter or not, just let it go...

An Exception · 21 Aug 2012 at 18:24

Raymond Lin said:
No, I know AA or lack of it gives better performance, hence pointless bring it up.

You might as well say the 5Dii needs better AF, everyone knows that.

Raymond it's a factor that effects performance, if you going to talk about resolution, it should be taken into account. My post was not meant for you and only you by the way.

An Exception · 21 Aug 2012 at 18:37

Raymond, I thought you asked to drop it, then you continue?
Jeez man, I respect you and your work, I know we disagree sometimes, but why you keep going out of your way to knock me?

Raymond Lin said:
Poor child has to play all by herself !

On a serious note...holy CA batman ! (/resist making Nikon makes amazing lenses joke )

An Exception said:
Lol,I remember a few times where other posters have picked you up on strong CA!

But yeh it is bad in this example, will be fixed for final hand edit's though, these are just raw output's from a batch action.

Below was uncalled for imo.

Raymond Lin said:
It's funny to me that you of all people - pixel peep and read into every detail of a lens performance post a photo like that that's all.

I would've thought you either:-

1 - return the lens
2 - fix it in software before posting it online.

No means I am saying we haven't all done it, I have !

An Exception said:
Raymond please, don't keep trying to bicker

Raymond Lin said:
What's good for the goose is good for the gander

Anyway, CA aside.

Are these processed? It looks very flat?

mrk said:
Phew, I thought this thread was turning:

Suddenly!

An Exception · 21 Aug 2012 at 18:44

Yes I thought it was light hearted which was why I responded with

Below had no

, and was clearly personal.

Raymond Lin said:
It's funny to me that you of all people - pixel peep and read into every detail of a lens performance post a photo like that that's all.

I would've thought you either:-

1 - return the lens
2 - fix it in software before posting it online.

No means I am saying we haven't all done it, I have !

As for not posting unfinished work, it was a bit of CA, it wasn't anything fundamental, so who really cares...

An Exception · 21 Aug 2012 at 18:49

Raymond Lin said:
That is also true, you recently did a thread on it as such?

If it is a lie then I apologise.

It was a mere question why you post unfinished work.

I posted a head to head review Raymond. As such I tested and compared two lens properly and adequately as any competent person would.

An Exception · 21 Aug 2012 at 20:44

James J said:
The ISO and DR are absolutely fine on the 5D mk iii compared to the D800. Sure neither of them are comparable to say a hasslebrads DR, yet the ISO performance on both is exceptionally similar. DxO mark also state that the DR on the 5D mk iii at higher iso levels is higher than the D800 so thats a seriously mute point anyway.

Not really. DR is only half the story. Read noise is the other half. If you had 100 stops of DR, it wouldn't be any use if the read noise isn't low enough to allow you to use it.
High read noise = Banding.

An Exception · 21 Aug 2012 at 23:06

D.P. said:
This is utter nonsense and contradicts every source of information from every reliable resource. I am not sure where you are getting your information from?

He's probably read this article.

The reviewer was a bit silly using F16 tbh. Why bother comparing the 'E' to the H4D40, if your going to cripple/soften the results of the 35mm with F16 and 11, as MF has a diffraction advantage.

An Exception · 23 Aug 2012 at 08:19

Hopefully not long now...

An Exception · 24 Aug 2012 at 19:34

James J said:
Out of interest, are you going to buy one of these or a D800, or will it boil down to price vs features over what you currently have mate?

I'm conflicted, but I think I have a plan.

At some point I want to have 3 bodies, 2 for weddings, and 1 for personal/backup.
D800E's are too expensive for me at the moment as I would have to buy 2.
Also ideally I want to shed some weight, as carrying all that weight for 10+ hours at a wedding begins to take it's toll.

So I'm thinking of trading in my D700's for D600's (pending reviews), to use for weddings. And then saving up for a while to get a D800E. I plan to use the D800E for landscapes and studio type photography. If I drop the D800 in the sea, it doesn't mess up my wedding business at the weekend.

I'm looking forward to the D600, as I remember how much I liked the D7000. With a grip, I actually much preferred it's form factor over the D700, but the only thing missing was full frame.

An Exception · 24 Aug 2012 at 21:50

^^^
Well from the leaked pictures the D600 is in a D7000 body, and other spec's like body weight would also confirm a smaller body. So I think the chances are only the viewfinder will be larger than a D7000.

As long as the AF is decent then I'll be going for a couple of D600's. It would also be nice if it has the same advanced metering features as the D800, i.e. it would be really useful if the camera can recognise faces and skin tone to measure the correct exposure. This would be very useful in backlit scenarios, especially if you shooting a little wide.
Would also be great if it had similar DR characteristics as the D7000, so I'm hoping it's a Exmor.

An Exception · 24 Aug 2012 at 22:13

Nikon don't skimp on weather sealing from what I can gather. If it's as well sealed as the D7000, then that's good enough for me.

An Exception · 24 Aug 2012 at 23:31

^^^
Bet you any money it's weather sealed. It's a DXXX, so it's not a consumer camera. Even the D7000 which IS a consumer camera has good weather sealing.
I seriously doubt Nikon will go to such lengths as to gimp this camera.

An Exception · 30 Aug 2012 at 14:17

Maximum shutter speed of 1/4000 has just turned me off.

An Exception · 30 Aug 2012 at 15:35

Ksanti said:
To be fair, you could always just use a variable ND filter? I know they get pretty bad as you start approaching the really dark end but the lighter ones are helpful to keep stuff below 1/8000. Plenty of times even 1/8000 isn't fast enough with naked lenses and it's not like any f/1.4 outdoor work will be stuff that will blur at anything faster than 1/200.

I'm also talking from a Canon perspective where base ISO is 100 rather than 200 (though that's changing).

If you're using a D700 where base ISO is 200, afaik, then the D600 may well provide the same wide-aperture ability by dropping base ISO by a stop, but also slowing the shutter by a stop?

Depends if the D600 has anywhere near the highlight recovery of the D700. My D700 has around 3 stops.
The D800 is looking more tempting to me now.

An Exception · 30 Aug 2012 at 18:45

Rojin said:
Nice little set of ND filters and you'll be sorted. Just need to quick way to get 'em on and off!

That's the thing, I don't want the hassle of ND filters and another technical aspect to take into consideration. I want my setup to be simple and lightweight as possible so I can concentrate all my brains resources on getting results.
I really liked the idea of the D600 due to the weight savings. Instead it looks like I'll be waiting a while longer to upgrade to D800's, although I'm quite happy with the 700's anyway at the moment so the upgrade itch isn't so bad.

An Exception · 31 Aug 2012 at 01:26

If your using a 24-70, then it won't be a problem for you.

However, sure it's entry, but it's not exactly cheap either, a similar price as a pro level body D700. D7000 has 1/8000 and IS a consumer grade body. I don't think it's too much to ask for the same in a body that costs much more than the D7000, hell I'd rather pay a couple hundred more for them not to artificially cripple the shutter.

An Exception · 12 Sep 2012 at 15:28

At new rumoured price this camera looks to be dead on arrival, especially with the crappy specs.

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/09/12/nikon-d600-price-in-japan-%C2%A5215000-around-2700.aspx/comment-page-3/#comment-322391

I expect the prices to tank shortly after release.

Oh well D800's it is then...