You can get a UK D800 for £2175. Personally I think you would have to be nuts to pay £1715 for a MUCH lesser camera.
D600 with full fat AF system!
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You can get a UK D800 for £2175. Personally I think you would have to be nuts to pay £1715 for a MUCH lesser camera.
Caporegime
Why are you comparing RRP to what you can get it for? I know someone I can get a D4 from, for £50, providing I don't ask questions on where it came from.
RRP of D800 is £2499 (was £2399 at launch), and D800e is £2689.99. That's a hell of a difference to the (rumoured) £1715 RRP for the D600.
RRP of D800 is £2499 (was £2399 at launch), and D800e is £2689.99. That's a hell of a difference to the (rumoured) £1715 RRP for the D600.
Indeed, you cannot compare current UK street prices with RRP Japanese prices.
If you compare Japanese RRP which is the only fair comparison we have fit now, then the d600 is 70% of the price of the d800. Given current UK street prices (I used amazon) gives a street pc of about 1500 quid. It may be a bit more at launch, and will likely drop lower with time.
Still somewhat higher than expected but still significantly cheaper than a d800 and I am still thinking about it. MIT end up wi a d600 for landscape/still life/architecture and. D7k or the replacement d7100 for wildlife. The d600 in itself probably won't cut it for pixel density. It would be a step back from my 12 mp DX sensor right now and I really want a step forwards.
Alternatively I just buy a d7k and with the money saved grab 500mm f4.0 sooner.
If you compare Japanese RRP which is the only fair comparison we have fit now, then the d600 is 70% of the price of the d800. Given current UK street prices (I used amazon) gives a street pc of about 1500 quid. It may be a bit more at launch, and will likely drop lower with time.
Still somewhat higher than expected but still significantly cheaper than a d800 and I am still thinking about it. MIT end up wi a d600 for landscape/still life/architecture and. D7k or the replacement d7100 for wildlife. The d600 in itself probably won't cut it for pixel density. It would be a step back from my 12 mp DX sensor right now and I really want a step forwards.
Alternatively I just buy a d7k and with the money saved grab 500mm f4.0 sooner.
Well according to Amazon D800 RRP is £2600.
It's selling for much less than that now.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nikon-D800-Digital-Camera-Body/dp/B00763MHB4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347462880&sr=8-1
Nikon doesn't leave much margin for retailers, so it's unlikely that retailers will be able to offer better prices on the D600 until Nikon realises that the D600 isn't selling and issues credit notes to dealers to be able to Discount it.
If Nikon hasn't done that for the D800, then Amazon would now be selling the D800 at a loss.
It's selling for much less than that now.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nikon-D800-Digital-Camera-Body/dp/B00763MHB4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347462880&sr=8-1
Nikon doesn't leave much margin for retailers, so it's unlikely that retailers will be able to offer better prices on the D600 until Nikon realises that the D600 isn't selling and issues credit notes to dealers to be able to Discount it.
If Nikon hasn't done that for the D800, then Amazon would now be selling the D800 at a loss.
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Soldato
The price fluctuations of the D800 and E version are doing my absolute fruit in at the moment. Two weeks ago you could get a UK D800E for £2479 and now they are nearly £200 more yet again. I've got the money for a D800 sat waiting but I want the best deal possible as I also want to get the 105mm macro VR lens + 50 F1.4. I can either take a risk on an imported model and get one for just shy over £2050 (ish) and potentially have a nightmare of a time if the body has the left focus point issue or get the UK models which cost more and have an easier time with the warranty.
The D600 was never really on the cards for me but if it was at a lower price than what the rumours say I'd probably entertain the idea of one. The power of the D800 in DX mode, even though the FPS isn't amazing, is still whats drawing me more towards that then a "lesser" model as I also like to do wildlife photography and some big zooms are on the cards, just probably not to DPs standard of a 500m F4 which costs a small fortune
Sigma 120-300 F2.8 + 2x extender most likely for me, but we'll see!
The D600 was never really on the cards for me but if it was at a lower price than what the rumours say I'd probably entertain the idea of one. The power of the D800 in DX mode, even though the FPS isn't amazing, is still whats drawing me more towards that then a "lesser" model as I also like to do wildlife photography and some big zooms are on the cards, just probably not to DPs standard of a 500m F4 which costs a small fortune
Sigma 120-300 F2.8 + 2x extender most likely for me, but we'll see!
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I still can't get over the pitiful frame rate of the D800. I just can't. 
Considering the D800 does 5FPS in 1.2x crop at 20something MP, and the D600 only does 5.5FPS I don't know what your issue is tbh.
If the D600's AF isn't as good then the usable FPS will likely be lower than the D800.
If the D600's AF isn't as good then the usable FPS will likely be lower than the D800.
http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/20/nikon-d800d800e-cost-to-dealers-in-the-us.aspx/
Around a 10% margin which I think is pretty paltry...
Soldato
I still can't get over the pitiful frame rate of the D800. I just can't.
Don't really need to machine gun things though unless you are doing sport and want to capture everything. If you are obsessed with FPS, you might as well just shoot video...
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Considering the D800 does 5FPS in 1.2x crop at 20something MP, and the D600 only does 5.5FPS I don't know what your issue is tbh.
If the D600's AF isn't as good then the usable FPS will likely be lower than the D800.
At full resolution 4fps for a camera body that costs £2,500. That's my problem.
Also note, I wasn't asking anyone to agree with me. I was expressing my feelings on the matter, is all.
Oh and we don't have any confirmation on the frame rate of the D600. It's all speculation.
If your shooting sports or wildlife, why would you need to use full size of the sensor?
And don't worry I don't agree with you, it's a non issue imo...
Regarding the Ninja Edit, the rumoured FPS is 5.5. so that's what I'm basing my comments on.
I still can't get over the pitiful frame rate of the D800. I just can't.
Pitiful, it pumps 2Gbit/s through off the sensor and through the buffer- that is pretty phenomenal. 4-6FPS is plenty for almost anyone except pro-sports togs, and guess what, the D800 was never aimed at pro-sport togs who will dimply buy the D4 and get 10FPS. Even these guys wont always exploit 10FPS and machine gun away, more important is to time the shots suitably which comes from technique and experience to predict the correct moments.
The difference between 4 and 6FPS is entirely academic, much more important is the AF accuracy, AF tracking ability, and over all keeper rate. The D800 does fine in these regards.
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I like to shoot motorsports whenever I can so frame rate does matter to me.
I also have photographer friends who agree that the frame rate of the D800 may restrict their choice in buying it as they like to have the capability to shoot faster when required.
Soldato
Wont be quick or it'll take D4 sales.
Soldato
Its not a sports camera though. If you needed that, you might as well get a second hand D3/D3s for less than the cost of a new D800 and enjoy taking the exact shots you want.
It don't think you will find anyone agreeing with you expect some uneducated internet fanboys that seem to think a camera should be used like a machine gun in the hopes of getting a good shots. Experiences togs will simply go out and get beautiful shots, seen plenty of sports photos with the D800 in stunning detail.
You know if you really want inflated numbers you can put it into 1.2x crop mode and get 5FPS at 24MP or in DX mode + grip and get 6FPS at 16MP which is plenty big enough for a giant posters, and the likely occasions for needing high speed you will also want the tighter crops. For example, Canon's 1D line of 1.3x crop cameras, Nikon simply made the tighter crop and higher speeds a menu option rather than a whole new camera body.
You don't by a Porsche 911 turbo to go off-roading on the Rubicon trail.
Soldato
No it's not, not at all when it is a feature that you use.
Many other features are more important, I would much rather have a 4FPS camera with reliable, fast and accurate AF with amazing tracking abilities than 6FPS with hit or miss AF which is often the case. These are the features that professional sports togs demand, the higher FPS is just a nice feature to have that can be useful in difficult situations. I have never heard of a Pro sports tog who prefers to machine gun than take care of the timing. Even at 10-12FPS there is a good chance of missing the critical moment when machine gunning while being more careful and planned can get you the exact desired timing.