D800 official release

jonneymendoza said:
the 5d2 sold well because the price point was reasonable. it retailed at launch for 2.3k wasnt it? 700 less then mk3.

looks like nikon are better then canon
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In actual real world use, printing up to 20x30, you'll hardly notice any difference between the two bodies. Certainly joe public looking at the print wouldn't. The D800 is fantastic, if you want the DR and resolution then for landscapes with a 14-24 smacked on the front it's hard to beat (although a Canon TS lens may even that up a tad in some situations). The DR difference I find hard to relate to with my photography as it doesn't make a jot of difference, for landscape shooters it's apparently great.

Wedding togs on some forums are only talking about the 5D3, it brings better ISO performance and much better AF to the table. That with the 35L and 85L ticks all their boxes. It really does all depend on what you are looking for in your photography, you really are spoilt for choice at the moment :)
 
Rojin said:
Can you actually back that up at all? The 7D is an awesome camera to handle, the rebel series do suffer from the lack of a back wheel etc though. The D700 felt so odd when I used it lately, but I put that down to Canon familiarisation. I use a 7 year old Canon body with a dodgy two button control methodology so I hope I could use pretty much any camera :D I use lenses on the Canon that zoom\focus different ways and it's not an issue at all. Nikon users are saying that the D800 is giving them cramp when using, which is something they haven't experienced before, that is odd.
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The 7D is a great body but a lot of the canon bodies just don't seem anywhere near as comfortable as similar class Nikon bodies for me and many reviews. Always seems you have to jump to the next body up in the Canon line to get a body with the same comport and build quality. Plenty of exceptions of course but it is something that many reviews and users have noted for a long time. That was the sole reason I started down a nikon route when i moved to digital, the Canon 300D was just an uncomfortable plastic box compared to the Nikon D70. I've used plenty of 40D/60D types cameras and they just are not as comfortable as a Nikon D90 or D300.


Will pay attention to the D800 feel but i doubt it is much different to the D700, very similar bodies.
 
D.P. said:
The 7D is a great body but a lot of the canon bodies just don't seem anywhere near as comfortable as similar class Nikon bodies for me and many reviews. Always seems you have to jump to the next body up in the Canon line to get a body with the same comport and build quality. Plenty of exceptions of course but it is something that many reviews and users have noted for a long time. That was the sole reason I started down a nikon route when i moved to digital, the Canon 300D was just an uncomfortable plastic box compared to the Nikon D70. I've used plenty of 40D/60D types cameras and they just are not as comfortable as a Nikon D90 or D300.


Will pay attention to the D800 feel but i doubt it is much different to the D700, very similar bodies.
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I've got to be honest, whilst many say "go and handle the body first" I've never really found that there is much of a difference between them all. Wheels going this way and that I can easily adapt to. The grip for the 7D I at first found quite good, then I bought a 1D body and the 7D grip felt like the most unwieldy thing ever! I do like the 1D body feel, but if I had to live with a gripped 7D I'd grumble a lot but put up with it :D
 
Rojin said:
In actual real world use, printing up to 20x30, you'll hardly notice any difference between the two bodies. Certainly joe public looking at the print wouldn't. The D800 is fantastic, if you want the DR and resolution then for landscapes with a 14-24 smacked on the front it's hard to beat (although a Canon TS lens may even that up a tad in some situations). The DR difference I find hard to relate to with my photography as it doesn't make a jot of difference, for landscape shooters it's apparently great.

Wedding togs on some forums are only talking about the 5D3, it brings better ISO performance and much better AF to the table. That with the 35L and 85L ticks all their boxes. It really does all depend on what you are looking for in your photography, you really are spoilt for choice at the moment :)
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i disagree. you go as if the AF on the d800 is a load of turd when its not. its as good as the mk3's offering. ok it has only 40 cross type points compared to 61 on mk3. come on mate that is hardly miles apart in comparison.

High ISO? the d800 has high ISO that matches the mk3 from what i can see, toss in better DR and better MP, the d800 actually offers more then the £700+ more mk3!

How can anyone justify that? £700 more? really? wedding togs talking about mk3 only is probably because they have already invested in canon. it is a hassle switching camps mate.

im a canon fan and even i admit that the d800 is a better camera IQ-wise for £700 cheaper.

never have i seen a competitor price a inferior product for less then there rival competition especialy by 700 cheaper. Either Nikon have presented us bargain of the century or canon are ripping people off. one of the other.

IMO i think canon are ripping people off.

Look at the price of the 24-70mk2 lens. £2k LMAO more expensive then my 70-200f2.8 mk2 lens WITH IS which the 24-70mk2 doesnt have:rolleyes:

Rojin said:
I've got to be honest, whilst many say "go and handle the body first" I've never really found that there is much of a difference between them all. Wheels going this way and that I can easily adapt to. The grip for the 7D I at first found quite good, then I bought a 1D body and the 7D grip felt like the most unwieldy thing ever! I do like the 1D body feel, but if I had to live with a gripped 7D I'd grumble a lot but put up with it :D
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+1.

both nikon and canon feel the same body wise and i would learn to adjust the controls whichever i got. simple as that
 
Rojin said:
How a "fanboy" can persuade someone not to buy a camera I'll never know. Stocks are short, that is a fact. For both the D800 and 5DIII early adopter demand is high. The D800 is great and will sell well. Overall it will still most likely be outsold by the 5D3, Canon do what they do well and have the glass to back it up. No matter what Nikon glass you bring to the table, it can always be used on a Canon. The same can't be said the other way.

Whilst the resolution of the D800 is great, it doesn't have the MF look. That's something from the size of the sensor and lens design.

I'm "that" close to buying a D800 or D700 it isn't true, but the second hand Nikon market is so much smaller and to be honest I'm not a fan of their online community from what I've seen lately :(
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Stocks for all new DSLRs cameras are low, always are, that is what I pointed out. There is just no reason at all to expect delays beyond what is typical.
I read on dpreview or somewhere someone trying to prevent a Canon 5dMKII user swapping over to a Nikon D800m setup because they claimed the D800 is massively under supplied for some BS reason and wont be in stock until September, so the potential D800 buyer should just pre-order a 5DMKIII. I think it is just fanboy behavior in reaction to the D800 DXOMark scores.


A good MF back will definitely e better, purely down to the larger surface and better lenses this affords. But you have to put things in perspective, the D800 gives serious competition for $3000 that puts some $30-50,000 MF cameras to shame in terms of DR. A D800 and 24-70mm f.2,8 is less than the cost of a good lens for medium format.

it is sure to make some users and studios think twice about camera purchases. Especially given the relative ease of use of modern DSLR compared to medium format work.

The problem with medium format backs is the technology i just behind DSLRs and they are relying on a big sensor with big glass to make the difference. The technology progress in DSLRs is very fast compared to progress in the MF world so the gap gets smaller sand smaller, until a sensor like that in the D800 can show better DR and colour depth.

now imagine the D800 sensor enlarged to medium format size!
 
Rojin said:
I've got to be honest, whilst many say "go and handle the body first" I've never really found that there is much of a difference between them all. Wheels going this way and that I can easily adapt to. The grip for the 7D I at first found quite good, then I bought a 1D body and the 7D grip felt like the most unwieldy thing ever! I do like the 1D body feel, but if I had to live with a gripped 7D I'd grumble a lot but put up with it :D
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I think some people don't care and some people seem to have an inherent preference for a rotation direction. Kind of like snowboarders ride goofy or regular but it is not really based on their handedness.
 
D.P. said:
Stocks for all new DSLRs cameras are low, always are, that is what I pointed out. There is just no reason at all to expect delays beyond what is typical.
I read on dpreview or somewhere someone trying to prevent a Canon 5dMKII user swapping over to a Nikon D800m setup because they claimed the D800 is massively under supplied for some BS reason and wont be in stock until September, so the potential D800 buyer should just pre-order a 5DMKIII. I think it is just fanboy behavior in reaction to the D800 DXOMark scores.


A good MF back will definitely e better, purely down to the larger surface and better lenses this affords. But you have to put things in perspective, the D800 gives serious competition for $3000 that puts some $30-50,000 MF cameras to shame in terms of DR. A D800 and 24-70mm f.2,8 is less than the cost of a good lens for medium format.

it is sure to make some users and studios think twice about camera purchases. Especially given the relative ease of use of modern DSLR compared to medium format work.

The problem with medium format backs is the technology i just behind DSLRs and they are relying on a big sensor with big glass to make the difference. The technology progress in DSLRs is very fast compared to progress in the MF world so the gap gets smaller sand smaller, until a sensor like that in the D800 can show better DR and colour depth.

now imagine the D800 sensor enlarged to medium format size!
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can we discuss in £ pounds please lol
 
jonneymendoza said:
i disagree. you go as if the AF on the d800 is a load of turd when its not. its as good as the mk3's offering. ok it has only 40 cross type points compared to 61 on mk3. come on mate that is hardly miles apart in comparison.

High ISO? the d800 has high ISO that matches the mk3 from what i can see, toss in better DR and better MP, the d800 actually offers more then the £700+ more mk3!

How can anyone justify that? £700 more? really? wedding togs talking about mk3 only is probably because they have already invested in canon. it is a hassle switching camps mate.

im a canon fan and even i admit that the d800 is a better camera IQ-wise for £700 cheaper.

never have i seen a competitor price a inferior product for less then there rival competition especialy by 700 cheaper. Either Nikon have presented us bargain of the century or canon are ripping people off. one of the other.

IMO i think canon are ripping people off.

Look at the price of the 24-70mk2 lens. £2k LMAO more expensive then my 70-200f2.8 mk2 lens WITH IS which the 24-70mk2 doesnt have:rolleyes:





+1.

both nikon and canon feel the same body wise and i would learn to adjust the controls whichever i got. simple as that
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the D800 may be much better than he 5DMKII, but the 5DMKII is still going to be a great camera and make great images. I think for most people it wont be worth swapping systems.
 
jonneymendoza said:
i disagree. you go as if the AF on the d800 is a load of turd when its not. its as good as the mk3's offering. ok it has only 40 cross type points compared to 61 on mk3. come on mate that is hardly miles apart in comparison.

High ISO? the d800 has high ISO that matches the mk3 from what i can see, toss in better DR and better MP, the d800 actually offers more then the £700+ more mk3!

How can anyone justify that? £700 more? really? wedding togs talking about mk3 only is probably because they have already invested in canon. it is a hassle switching camps mate.

im a canon fan and even i admit that the d800 is a better camera IQ-wise for £700 cheaper.

never have i seen a competitor price a inferior product for less then there rival competition especialy by 700 cheaper. Either Nikon have presented us bargain of the century or canon are ripping people off. one of the other.

IMO i think canon are ripping people off.

Look at the price of the 24-70mk2 lens. £2k LMAO more expensive then my 70-200f2.8 mk2 lens WITH IS which the 24-70mk2 doesnt have:rolleyes:

+1.

both nikon and canon feel the same body wise and i would learn to adjust the controls whichever i got. simple as that
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You may have understood me, nowhere have I said the D800 AF is a "turd"! :D

The improved AF I alluded to in the wedding tog quote was against the 5D2, not the D800. There have been a couple of people saying the D800 AF isn't as good as the D700, but that has been put down to the new high res (hand holding a high res sensor is an all new ball game!).

As has already been said, it's quite amusing how the tables have turned in the offerings from Canon and Nikon. Even though I am far more comfortable with the Canon lens offerings and where I'd like to be with primes in the coming years, the D800 is so good it's hard to ignore.... but I'm trying! Sony are expected to bring out a new FF body within 6 months as well, that could be interesting price\feature wise... Also I'd love to see a Fuji FF camera...
 
D.P. said:
Stocks for all new DSLRs cameras are low, always are, that is what I pointed out. There is just no reason at all to expect delays beyond what is typical.
I read on dpreview or somewhere someone trying to prevent a Canon 5dMKII user swapping over to a Nikon D800m setup because they claimed the D800 is massively under supplied for some BS reason and wont be in stock until September, so the potential D800 buyer should just pre-order a 5DMKIII. I think it is just fanboy behavior in reaction to the D800 DXOMark scores.


A good MF back will definitely e better, purely down to the larger surface and better lenses this affords. But you have to put things in perspective, the D800 gives serious competition for $3000 that puts some $30-50,000 MF cameras to shame in terms of DR. A D800 and 24-70mm f.2,8 is less than the cost of a good lens for medium format.

it is sure to make some users and studios think twice about camera purchases. Especially given the relative ease of use of modern DSLR compared to medium format work.

The problem with medium format backs is the technology i just behind DSLRs and they are relying on a big sensor with big glass to make the difference. The technology progress in DSLRs is very fast compared to progress in the MF world so the gap gets smaller sand smaller, until a sensor like that in the D800 can show better DR and colour depth.

now imagine the D800 sensor enlarged to medium format size!
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dpreview.... say no more! :D That forum is just plain unpleasant! :)

MF tech could well be interesting in the coming months\years, the D800 is giving them a right smack in the face! They have to move on to protect their market segment even at the perceived low end... interesting times.
 
D.P. said:
the D800 may be much better than he 5DMKII, but the 5DMKII is still going to be a great camera and make great images. I think for most people it wont be worth swapping systems.
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I bought my 1Ds2 as an interim stop gap until the 5D3 arrived. I'll be honest the price has really p'd me off! I don't have a massive investment in glass, and as I bought most of it second hand the cost to change is minimal.... but! I want a 35L, 50L, 85L and 135L in my eventual "now I'm happy" camera bag. I'll admit that for 50 and 85 the Sigma offerings will suit me fine, and if I'm really in a "change system" mode of thinking the 35 and 135 are focal lengths that aren't essential... it's such a hassle to sell it all though! If a chap turned up at my door tomorrow offering me a D800, 35, 85, 70-200 as a straight swap... well sadly the multi-coloured swap shop is no longer active! :D
 
I know the feeling, I am currently in the process of selling off all my Canon gear to make the D800/D4 switch. Managed to sell my 1DIV and 35L along with a few accessories, would have just sold the lot in 1 big hit if I didnt have jobs coming up.

It's a bit sad selling off the L series collection after shooting Canon for over 3 years but the dark side is too appealing with their latest offerings.
 
mcc49 said:
I know the feeling, I am currently in the process of selling off all my Canon gear to make the D800/D4 switch. Managed to sell my 1DIV and 35L along with a few accessories, would have just sold the lot in 1 big hit if I didnt have jobs coming up.

It's a bit sad selling off the L series collection after shooting Canon for over 3 years but the dark side is too appealing with their latest offerings.
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gotta ask though. What are you hoping to achieve in your photographs that you haven't with the Canon?
 
jonneymendoza said:
i disagree. you go as if the AF on the d800 is a load of turd when its not. its as good as the mk3's offering. ok it has only 40 cross type points compared to 61 on mk3. come on mate that is hardly miles apart in comparison.

High ISO? the d800 has high ISO that matches the mk3 from what i can see, toss in better DR and better MP, the d800 actually offers more then the £700+ more mk3!

How can anyone justify that? £700 more? really? wedding togs talking about mk3 only is probably because they have already invested in canon. it is a hassle switching camps mate.

im a canon fan and even i admit that the d800 is a better camera IQ-wise for £700 cheaper.

never have i seen a competitor price a inferior product for less then there rival competition especialy by 700 cheaper. Either Nikon have presented us bargain of the century or canon are ripping people off. one of the other.

IMO i think canon are ripping people off.

Look at the price of the 24-70mk2 lens. £2k LMAO more expensive then my 70-200f2.8 mk2 lens WITH IS which the 24-70mk2 doesnt have:rolleyes:





+1.

both nikon and canon feel the same body wise and i would learn to adjust the controls whichever i got. simple as that
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The whole X brand is better to hold than the other brand thing is almost always based on size. That's been gone over to death in recent years. Nikon cameras have always been smaller, or at least were when I first got into it, and I even have to buy a battery grip because the Canon 300D, 30D and now 60D while bigger than the Nikon alternative, still aren't comfortable for me without a grip.

Personally I wouldn't go to Nikon from Canon for that reason alone. The differences in cameras aren't that great. No matter what you get, you'd get used to what you're using anyway. Unless of course it's a bottom of the range camera, then you'd probably hate the switch from Canon to Nikon (that's only based on what people have said regarding features, etc, I've never tried a Nikon other than handling them when I was deciding years ago :D)
 
Rojin said:
Harsh! Lets be honest though, a D700 would be right up his street let alone a D800!
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+1, D700 is more than enough, and used prices should continue to be more affordable as more D800's are sold.

But although I'm happy with mine overall, I can't help but lust after the D800...
 
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