Poll: DAB+ is the future? Digital terrestrial radio broadcasting

Which method do you prefer when listening to radio


  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .
He's like the terminator though you've got to admire his evangilism, it's a calling/crusade

pedantry - but looking at the car streaming options standard spotify is just 128Kb/s AAC (what BMW offer on their idrive i believe) which, itself, is not up there
I stopped listening to youtube at home when they became solely 128Kb/s, so I'd need premium at 256Kb/s for car listening, or tidal HIFI my home goto.

- Listening to a cd in the car is still a pleasure when I remember to fill the cartridge, otherwise pre-recorded stuff at 192/256 rips.
 
I concur, however he's been like that since joining the forum and I don't think any reasonable, well written, factual response will change his mind.. scratch that lead him to the light.

Remember this is the guy that posted the below.

You are wrong - HDR is nowhere near as important as going fully digital for the terrestrial radio broadcasting.
HDR doesn't give you more options like the DAB+ - with a DAB+ multiplex there can be many more stations - remember that FM has very limited range of frequencies and these frequencies very easily interfere.
 

Yes, yes :)

"In Central Germany, the FM successor DAB+, which combines classic radio reception without Internet costs with the variety of digital programming offers, is already available on more than 98 percent of the area; the motorways are almost completely supplied. Indoor care reaches around 90 percent of the population.
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the digital growth path DAB+ is not only an internationally or Europe-wide established standard for digital radio distribution, digital radio has also made a name for itself in Germany as a free-to-air radio standard of today, which puts an end to the analogue spectrum shortage. This is demonstrated, among other things, by the figures of the latest audio digitalisation report from the media institutions: DAB+ is still the fastest growing transmission route, with an increase of 14 percent. More than a quarter of the German population, or about 17.9 million people, has access to at least one DAB+ device. This means that more than one million people will be able to receive more digital terrestrial radio services than in 2019. In households that are already equipped with a DAB+ device, DAB+ is the most commonly used type of reception before FM.
The increasing success of DAB+ is also demonstrated by the latest media analysis audio: According to this, DAB+ is currently the radio distribution channel with the largest increase in usage in Germany.
GfK reports a 23 percent increase in equipment sales for the entire DAB+ segment in 2020.
Milestones in the establishment of DAB+ last year were the launch of the second private nationwide channel chain for DAB+ as well as the Europe-wide commitment to equip new cars with DAB+ reception. Germany has enshrined this new EU requirement in the Telecommunications Act. This also stipulates that, since 21 December 2020, stationary radios must also enable digital reception, with a few exceptions."

DAB+: Netzerweiterung in Sachsen und Sachsen-Anhalt zum 3. Februar | radioWOCHE - Aktuelle Radionews, UKW/DAB+ News und Radiojobs

Thanks God the forums' members' expertise is not used by the governments :rolleyes:
 
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Thanks God the forums' members' expertise is not used by the governments :rolleyes:

Quite.

Imagine the Governments listening to users. We might have a DAB/DAB+ service worth listening to instead of the utter ***** now broadcasting in the UK and the shambles of the new DAB+ services that the late adopters are heading towards.

My God, can you imagine, quality instead of lining the Governments' and some broadcasters' pockets? Perish the thought.
 
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Quite.

Imagine the Governments listening to users. We might have a DAB/DAB+ service worth listening to instead of the utter shote now broadcasting in the UK and the shambles of the new DAB+ services that the late adopters are heading towards.

My God, can you imagine, quality instead of lining the Governments' and some broadcasters' pockets? Perish the thought.

Users wouldn't even know about DAB+ if it was not pushed and promoted by the governments.
Users still listen to and want their pre-historic analogue radio.
 
Users wouldn't even know about DAB+ if it was not pushed and promoted by the governments.
Governments didn't need to promote the change from AM to FM radio.

Governments didn't need to promote new formats such as CD, DVD, Blu-ray, HD TV, UHD 4K etc.

If it's worth having, and if it's genuinely desired by consumers, then manufacturers and the consumer press will promote it. It's then left to the will of the people if they buy it or not.

Strange then that DAB/DAB+ needs such heavy-handed Government intervention.

Forcing vehicle manufacturers to include it, and besieging listeners by switching off FM transmissions so they have no option but to switch, are acts of coercion perpetratrate by national Governments. It's a scandal.


Users still listen to and want their pre-historic analogue radio.

Yes. Yes they do. Glad you have finally seen the light. Hallelujah!!

Time after time, when consumers are presented with a fair question, they choose to keep FM. Even the comments in the little YouTube videos you posted to demonstrate DAB/DAB+ vs FM tell the story that informed listeners recognise the poor fidelity of real DAB/DAB+ broadcasts.
 
Governments didn't need to promote the change from AM to FM radio.

Governments didn't need to promote new formats such as CD, DVD, Blu-ray, HD TV, UHD 4K etc.

If it's worth having, and if it's genuinely desired by consumers, then manufacturers and the consumer press will promote it. It's then left to the will of the people if they buy it or not.

Strange then that DAB/DAB+ needs such heavy-handed Government intervention.

Forcing vehicle manufacturers to include it, and besieging listeners by switching off FM transmissions so they have no option but to switch, are acts of coercion perpetratrate by national Governments. It's a scandal.

You must see the difference between consumer products and national networks. The consumer cannot push the construction of new generation digital radio networks because the capital investments are higher.

CD is a cheap consumer-grade product that doesn't need heavy government capital investment.


Yes. Yes they do. Glad you have finally seen the light. Hallelujah!!

Time after time, when consumers are presented with a fair question, they choose to keep FM. Even the comments in the little YouTube videos you posted to demonstrate DAB/DAB+ vs FM tell the story that informed listeners recognise the poor fidelity of real DAB/DAB+ broadcasts.

Oh, no, how could you believe those comments - many are trolls or simply haters, or just paid by the mobile operators to promote their technologies... :rolleyes:
They are not genuine opinions and it's not worth it to take them as anything serious or worth considering.

The fact is that in Germany DAB+ is made right and the sound quality is superb - very wide frequency range - just beautiful pure sound, while FM there is full of defects.
 
I'm no audiophile so Radio 2 sounds ok to me in the car be it FM or DAB. Radio 5 on the other hand is shed loads better on Dab.

I'm also pleased that someone forced us all to about digital television over the analogue. If everyone had DAB it could be improved as it may not have to compete so much for limited radio bandwidth.

I stream radio at home on the rare occasion I listen to it in the house so DAB for me is purely to get better Radio 5 in the car. Up the DAB :D
 
I suspect you haven't realised it, but you just contradicted yourself.

You must see the difference between consumer products and national networks. The consumer cannot push the construction of new generation digital radio networks because the capital investments are higher.

In your post #105 you suggested that's exactly what consumers should do if they aren't happy with DAB/DAB+

...The reason for so low bitrate in the UK is that someone good has decided to give YOU an opportunity to broadcast YOUR own radio.

You then added
When would it happen on the FM frequencies - never because everything is occupied or there is no enough space/allocation for everyone.

So which is it; a high capital investment infrastructure which only Governments have the ability to fund, thereby excluding the possibility of consumers setting up their own DAB/DAB+ broadcasting solutions to "fix" the low bit rate issue

Or is it the democratised transmission space you envisaged back in post #105 when you thought your smart-ass reply would win the debating point? It can't be both, so you're going to have to concede that one of your points was wrong. Which one will you choose to sacrifice?


Your arguments continue to fail because they aren't valid in the real world, and now you compound that by contradicting yourself.

Here's a tip - a suggestion - for you to follow when it's obvious you made mistake after mistake

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LOL :D :D :D

You must see the difference between consumer products and national networks. The consumer cannot push the construction of new generation digital radio networks because the capital investments are higher.

I will concede that a national transmitter network is a major infrastructure project if you will concede the following points:

- The first UK radio transmitter network (1920-1926) required no direct UK Government funding*

- There was no UK Government promotion of radio, and yet by 1932 there was sufficient interest to expand British radio broadcasting to include The World Service

- There was no direct UK Government funding of television transmitters in the early days of British TV broadcasting

- By 1971, roughly four in ten UK homes had a telephone, but 9 out of 10 had a TV, and all without the Government promotion

- There was no direct UK Government funding for the establishment of a national FM transmitter network, and yet consumers were both aware of its existence and chose to switch without the need for a UK Government publicity scheme


You see, in contrast to DAB/DAB+, UK analogue radio and UK TV have been a success because they offer the consumer something of substantial benefit compared to what went before.

Taking the direct parallel between the introduction of digital TV and DAB/DAB+: both offered more channels, but only digital TV offered improved reception due to higher field strength, and as a result higher quality images in SD for those in marginal areas compared to analogue; and the introduction of HD image quality.

By contrast, DAB reception has been marginal for many UK listeners whereas FM worked; and DAB has been- and continues to be a step back in audio quality due to high compression rates, and neither DAB or DAB+ offer the audio equivalent of HD image resolution despite having a 20Hz to 20kHz audio frequency range.


* This was partly funded by levies on radio receivers and the requirement for an annual license. But this was a commercial relationship between consumers and the private company established to provide broadcasting services


CD is a cheap consumer-grade product that doesn't need heavy government capital investment.

CD playing equipment might be inexpensive to produce now, but that wasn't always the case.

In the early days of CD, the first Philips and Marantz and Sony CD players were the equivalent of £1700-£1900 in today's money (€1940-€2170). They weren't the most expensive either. The Cambridge Audio CD1 of 1986 was £1500 which translates to £4500/€5140 today.

Also, CD is a broadcast standard format. Radio stations worldwide have been using CD as their main broadcast media format taking over from vinyl.

The story here though in relation to DAB/DAB+ is simple. CD tech improved both quality and convenience for many music enthusiasts. Arguably, CD didn't really take off until the tech made it in to the stack Hi-Fis and midi systems of the mid-80s when the prices were more affordable. But again, this required no Government intervention. There was a clear consumer benefit over what went before. DAB/DAB+ hasn't proved itself equal to that. If it had, there would be much stronger consumer-lead demand for in-car and home DAB systems.



Oh, no, how could you believe those comments - many are trolls or simply haters, or just paid by the mobile operators to promote their technologies... :rolleyes:
They are not genuine opinions and it's not worth it to take them as anything serious or worth considering.

Many of us here have been telling you that it's you that is out of step with the majority. I can't help it if you refuse to acknowledge the reality. DAB/DAB+ is universally despised by anyone with an interest in quality. It has the technical advantage of a 20Hz to 20kHZ frequency range (FM is 30Hz to 15kHz*), and the possibility of bit rates that could match CD resolution - and yet all this is squandered because the broadcast model is set up to support a high number of stations rather than high fidelity audio.


* The limited audio range is something of a moot point since most domestic audio and in-car sound systems have speakers that cannot reproduce sound between 20Hz-and 30Hz. Also, age related hearing loss in the average human adult means that sound above 15kHz can't be heard for large portions of the world's population
 
Which part of "the thread is not particularly for the UK" but for a global world discussion don't you understand? :D

So go find a European web forum and preach to the gullible there.

We would dearly love a great DAB/DAB+ experience here in the UK, but we aren't getting it despite our protests. Your posts just rub salt in to our wounds.

In addition, you're extolling the virtues of Germany's low bitrate DAB+ just makes you look stupid. Do you really believe we don't know what low bitrate DAB+ sounds like. Have you any idea how insulting that is to us?

We see through your sales tactics. You have no credibility and no integrity. We are not buying what you are selling. Now go away.
 
So go find a European web forum and preach to the gullible there.

We would dearly love a great DAB/DAB+ experience here in the UK, but we aren't getting it despite our protests. Your posts just rub salt in to our wounds.

In addition, you're extolling the virtues of Germany's low bitrate DAB+ just makes you look stupid. Do you really believe we don't know what low bitrate DAB+ sounds like. Have you any idea how insulting that is to us?

We see through your sales tactics. You have no credibility and no integrity. We are not buying what you are selling. Now go away.

You have zero understanding of bitrates. You don't look at dry numbers posted by a random web site which may be right or wrong. You go to Germany, switch on your Hi-Fi system and listen to ... like a normal person would do. :D
 
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