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Dark days, AMD share price at lowest ever.

humbug said:
The warranty is with the board partner. not AMD.
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yes and he said he wasn't talking just about gpu's

AS I said i'm not suggesting AMD are going bust....

I was just saying that taking the brash attitude that you'd never do any research about a company before a purchase is a silly statement to make. GPU's except for bfg this probably doesn't matter but Shankly said ANY purchase not just gpu's.

just saying that attitude is a bad one to have in the long run.
 
bru said:
That's not something they can just knock up in a few minutes, it would require 'almost' as much work as designing a whole new processor.
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Indeed, but they simply shouldn't have bothered rebranding a whole fake 390 series and just continued with the 290 cards, bring out a 290XT 8Gb with the 390X higher clocks, kept prices as they were and they would have an attractive line up.

Alternatively they could have shifted the whole 290 cards down a rank and added the FuryX as the 390X at the price the 390X currently is. So the 290X would become the 380X, the Fury the 390 and the Fury X the 390X.

As it is they changed a 2 to a 3 and slapped on 150 quid.
 
Hopefully when the die shrinks come the game will be reset and AMD and Nvidia can go toe to toe proper without recycling and reworking an old process. Plus with HBM2 and dev's getting to grips with DX12 it should be a much better fight between red and green and an interesting time for the consumers.
 
TwsT said:
cash and liquid assets. Not just cash.


Still they're not in any danger they are just not showing investors any light at the end of the tunnel atm
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Yes, and they also have 700million in receivables (money people owe them) as well as stock sitting their (though how much of that they can actually sell at book value is unkown)... But they also have lots of debt, which is the concerning thing.

Humbug: If they spend too much cash on R&D then they put themselves in danger of not being able to pay debts and ongoing costs, so its a bit of a viscous circle potentially. Ideally they should already have products designed and we are waiting for them to be released, e.g. Zen and finfet GPU's, but they better be good.
 
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humbug said:
They have been teetering on the edge of bankruptcy since 2008, its a stuck record.
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Doesn't stop it being true, it just shows that AMd have failed to turn around their business. Slashes expenditure to keep the company afloat is only a short term solution. They need to generate sales
 
D.P. said:
Doesn't stop it being true, it just shows that AMd have failed to turn around their business. Slashes expenditure to keep the company afloat is only a short term solution. They need to generate sales
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if just one of those predictions were true AMD would have been bust 15 times over.

AMD are a shorts game, Investors big them up to bring the price up and then sell, right after they write articles that knock them down again at which point they buy back in and big them up once again selling high.... and so it goes on round and round and round....
 
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humbug said:
if just one of those predictions were true AMD would have been bust 15 times over.

AMD are a shorts game, Investors big them up to bring the price up and then sell, right after they write articles that knock them down again at which point they buy back in and big them up once again selling high.... and so it goes on round and round and round....
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No, because no one has said AMD would go bankrupt instantly. AMD are aon the same downward trend as they were back in 2008.


It is var clear within 3-5 years something will have to have changed or there will be no more AMD. A simple examination of their assets, liabilities, market share, product portfolio will show that bankruptcy is a definite without a trend break. AMD need Zen to do well, their server market to pickup, win the next console contracts without having to go to punitive profit margins, and hopefully get their GPUs back up to scratch.
 
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