The obligation to anticipate obvious hazards applies equally to cyclist and driver.
Not checking your way is clear when someone leaves you a gap is a rookie error. If it's your habit to leap without looking, I'd suggest you stop and think first.
Dashcam footage. Who was at fault?
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The obligation to anticipate obvious hazards applies equally to cyclist and driver.
Not checking your way is clear when someone leaves you a gap is a rookie error. If it's your habit to leap without looking, I'd suggest you stop and think first.
The van blocked the view for the entire road. So you expect the car to sit there waiting for eternity?
They could have crept round the turn or something but to simply say 'can't see, don't turn' in this situation is just daft.
You're OK playing piñata with a car..
Cyclist at fault. The cyclist should not have been undertaking the stationary traffic. Consider this alternative scenario: what if it had been the van that was wanting to turn left and was waiting for traffic to clear? You don't ride up the inside of big stationary vehicles.
Funnily enough, the cyclists around here are an utter menace, completely disregarding traffic lights. Most recently was a trio of Deliveroo riders, so I wrote to Deliveroo to complain.
Funnily enough, the cyclists around here are an utter menace, completely disregarding traffic lights. Most recently was a trio of Deliveroo riders, so I wrote to Deliveroo to complain.
They should have crept and leaned forward to get a better view before going
Cycling in traffic you are cycling past stationary traffic the majority of the time. Certainly you have to be super cautious going up large vehicles near junctions. Undertaking on a bicycle or in two lanes is legal. You should drive accordingly.
There you have it then. Cyclist at fault, if he wants to go full pelt while undertaking only himself to blame.
Tell that to plane crash investigators
Rule 167
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
- approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road #
- where the road narrows
- when approaching a school crossing patrol
- between the kerb and a bus or tram when it is at a stop
- where traffic is queuing at junctions or road works #
- when you would force another road user to swerve or slow down
- at a level crossing
- when a road user is indicating right, even if you believe the signal should have been cancelled. Do not take a risk; wait for the signal to be cancelled
- stay behind if you are following a cyclist approaching a roundabout or junction, and you intend to turn left
- when a tram is standing at a kerbside tram stop and there is no clearly marked passing lane for other traffic.
Ok the car pulled in front of the cyclist giving the cyclist no where to go.
Don't get me wrong I think the Cyclist is a moron. But I doubt that will change the fact that the cyclist had priority and a vehicle from another lane pulled across him causing an accident.
Pedant mode on: Re Undertaking: Show me the Law that states anything about "Undertaking"
The law does not refer to "Undertaking", That is just a common-usage colloquialism that everybody understands even if the pedents pretend not to
, it refers to overtaking on the left.The HC gives examples of when it is acceptable to overtake on the left, it also advises that Overtaking (Presumable regardless of on which side it is attempted) at junctions is ill advised and qualifies as a "Do Not" precisely because doing so is likley to result in situations like this from arising.
Exactly. The driver can only react to what he can see. Even if they crept forward the cyclist would have gone over the bonnet before the driver could do anything, he would be visible for a split second at the speed he was going. Theres nothing they could have done no matter how they took the turn. So entirely the cyclists fault and really they should be sued for any damage, if they aren't insured.
Over/undertaking at junctions is one of the dumbest things you can do and as above, against the highway code for exactly this reason.
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Cyclist for me, regardless of the highway code. There is little the driver could do to avoid this accident, there was a lot that the cyclist could have done.
The driver could have edged out and leaned forward for a better view
Re: undertaking /overtaking
Regardless of the cyclist not doing himself any favours Is it not filtering when the traffic has stopped?
The driver could have simply not taken that junction.