heaven knows how you'd have reacted if we'd have beaten you again then.
David De Gea - is he good enough?
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heaven knows how you'd have reacted if we'd have beaten you again then.
I know you dont actually watch games Frank and rely on BBC text reports to base your opinion on but surely those reports aren't that wide of the mark?
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If David De James can improve his handling in the air he could become one of the worlds best. Personally think his future lies back in Spain with one of the big two though where his weaknesses will be exposed less.
Yeah, he's an incredible talent i think. He just needs to man up...
He's proved he's a good shot stopper, he needs to now prove that he can learn the english game, he should get a while at the club to prove that. Football is bonkers nowadays tho so who knows, anything can happen.
Where do these rumours come from?
He's proved he's a good shot stopper, he needs to now prove that he can learn the english game, he should get a while at the club to prove that. Football is bonkers nowadays tho so who knows, anything can happen.
Where do these rumours come from?
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considering his age and experience so far i think he's doing ok, schmeichel (?sp) was a fair few years older when he joined iirc, and Lindegaard is 27/28 ish.
not helping that the 2 centre halves are chopping and changing due to injuries etc, bit of solid/commanding experience would help him loads.
not helping that the 2 centre halves are chopping and changing due to injuries etc, bit of solid/commanding experience would help him loads.
DDG is good enough for United. Yes he has lots of areas to improve on but he's working from a steady base. He has good distribution of the ball and he is a good shot stopper.
When people go on about the 'Flaky punch' or whatever it's not the actual save or the punch that's in question it's more the decision making behind it. That will only get better with experience. In two years time would he have come and punched that out or tipped it over the bar or let the defender head it away. Two years time it could be a complete different outcome from the same situation and Utd walk away with 3 points.
How old is he 22 ?? Some goalies don't even mature till they are 27 and hit their peak till they are over 30. Yes he makes mistakes but he's playing in front of a largely unsettled back four for the last 12-18 months. Being judged against Schmeichel and VdS who had a settled back four is a little unfair. Also what age did we sign VdS 31 - 32, maybe even 33 ???
So for me this is a bit of Sky talk whipping it up a little. Put a bit of pressure on him to make a few more mistakes to keep the title race going to the wire.
When people go on about the 'Flaky punch' or whatever it's not the actual save or the punch that's in question it's more the decision making behind it. That will only get better with experience. In two years time would he have come and punched that out or tipped it over the bar or let the defender head it away. Two years time it could be a complete different outcome from the same situation and Utd walk away with 3 points.
How old is he 22 ?? Some goalies don't even mature till they are 27 and hit their peak till they are over 30. Yes he makes mistakes but he's playing in front of a largely unsettled back four for the last 12-18 months. Being judged against Schmeichel and VdS who had a settled back four is a little unfair. Also what age did we sign VdS 31 - 32, maybe even 33 ???
So for me this is a bit of Sky talk whipping it up a little. Put a bit of pressure on him to make a few more mistakes to keep the title race going to the wire.
stop stating complete guesses as fact
You have NO IDEA how I get my information
(and for future reference its not just from one source EVER)
On a very frequent basis you say you don't watch matches and that it's usually radio / text / report articles so I think what Tom was getting at was a fair point.
Of course, not everyone can watch every game etc so opinions shouldn't be discounted but the point was fair enough.
"and rely on bbc text reports"
No I dont just rely on BBC text reports
I dont even think Ive mentioned the BBC in a lot of posts (apart from incidental tweets / comments that are inserted as jokes)
I have tried to make it obvious in numerous posts I dont just rely on one source, I go off a handful of different sources depending on the day/ match
So yes his post was inaccurate
Whats more, using different sources is a fair reflection to form an opinion - just as viewing it on tv, several sources allows the chance of a singular bias to be taken out of the equation
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My point was merely that when the other team has many more chances then you, you are likely yo concede more goals.
De gea has done okay despite this, Sunday wasn't his fault. Bilbao wasn't his fault. It was the team in front of him doing sweet fa that's thrown him under a bus.
De gea has done okay despite this, Sunday wasn't his fault. Bilbao wasn't his fault. It was the team in front of him doing sweet fa that's thrown him under a bus.
Oh do stop splitting hairs Frank, whether its BBC, Sky Sports, ESPN, Horse and Hound whatever time and time again you comment on live games basing your opinion on what you've read..... News flash 95% of those reports are full of utter crap, don't believe me? Try watching Sky Sports just one time and see who they pay to talk about football and you'll see more often than not these people don't have a clue whereas if you actually watch a game with your own two eyes you'd get a much better picture of how things actually are in reality.
I'll be honest when I read back through the match day threads (note I don't spend my time on ocuk when a game is actually on TV) I cringe when I see you giving out your opinion based on how you've read the game is going, it's by definition the most irrelevant opinion ever
EDIT: and btw this isn't me hating on people that dont have Sky and certainly not those that dont go to games live, I realise Sky is a luxury that some people dont have all I ask is that these people dont then come on a forum during the game and repeatedly say things like 'oh De Gea's done it again' (note Frank I'm paraphrasing) when you haven't actually seen the incident yourself.
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Like i posted before this, crossing is his weak point. He punched the ball extremely poorly, didnt you see how his team looked at him after he done the poor punch right out to lennon i think it was? it was his fault. i believe it was vidic, welbeck and evra showing their disgust at the clearance. As G neville said it just wasnt good enough and they let De gea know that.
He might be good enough in the future but is not what is needed now. He is a bit like Gomes in tbtnje is talented but will be ripped to shreds by the media until he is replaced.
Man Utd would be better off with Cesar or Begovic in the short term. Begovic is a better long term prospect
Edit; De Gea has made some wonderful and unexpected saves but like Gomes this is not important. It is much more important that his basics are absolutely sound and indisputable, which they are not. De Gea's saves against Spurs were a combination of brilliance and luck but in the long term it would be better to concede these goals and stop the crosses. For this reason he is not suited to the EPL at present and certainly should not be Man Utd first choice.
Man Utd would be better off with Cesar or Begovic in the short term. Begovic is a better long term prospect
Edit; De Gea has made some wonderful and unexpected saves but like Gomes this is not important. It is much more important that his basics are absolutely sound and indisputable, which they are not. De Gea's saves against Spurs were a combination of brilliance and luck but in the long term it would be better to concede these goals and stop the crosses. For this reason he is not suited to the EPL at present and certainly should not be Man Utd first choice.
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He is a good GK but he makes a lot of bad errors he is only 22 GK pack at like 28-30 and I can not see Fergie selling him unless a big offer come's in for him.
So united would have been better off losing 2-1 than drawing 1-1 against Spurs?
What nonsense is this?
In the long term it would be better if he was playing behind a competent defence before making half arsed judgements about his suposed failings.