DC2 vs. RX8
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At the flywheel, sure.
Heck a 530d makes more torque than an M5 as well, GENUINELY SPORTY or what! It's torque at the wheels that matters, especially on a track.
The RX8 is, for what it is, a fantastic car.
It is not, however, anything like an M3. Top Gear Test Track Statz or otherwise.
[TW]Fox;17253817 said:
Haha, you seem to be in denial that a lowly RX8 can even come close to an M3. I would argue that an RX8 is just like an M3 when it comes to being genuinely sporty. The paper stats Vs the lap times show this! It might not come close to an M3 on a circuit but it hangs with it much better than it should according to the paper numbers. But then, sporty some times doesn't come across when you simply go by the numbers.
I find them quite different, and both have plenty of appeal.
The rotor tips and other such issues with the Rotary engine tend to put me off a little, It tends to get brought up in conversations about the RX8, along with oil consumption, poor fuel consumption etc, but it's a nice looking car IMO, modern and has presence, it's also not too shabby on the road, although I've only driven the 190BHP version, and at a slow pace, but it seemed taught and together.
The DC2 is just different, older, VTEC, and has track cult status to me, it's getting on a bit, and finding minters is getting harder, with the looks dating quite quickly now.
I think it would depend on what I'm buying it for, I think I could be happy with both, but probably get the RX8 purely because it's still capable, but much more modern, I'd just have to satisfy myself the running costs don't unbalance things.
[edit] I'll keep out the M3 vs RX8, I know which I'd have..
The rotor tips and other such issues with the Rotary engine tend to put me off a little, It tends to get brought up in conversations about the RX8, along with oil consumption, poor fuel consumption etc, but it's a nice looking car IMO, modern and has presence, it's also not too shabby on the road, although I've only driven the 190BHP version, and at a slow pace, but it seemed taught and together.
The DC2 is just different, older, VTEC, and has track cult status to me, it's getting on a bit, and finding minters is getting harder, with the looks dating quite quickly now.
I think it would depend on what I'm buying it for, I think I could be happy with both, but probably get the RX8 purely because it's still capable, but much more modern, I'd just have to satisfy myself the running costs don't unbalance things.
[edit] I'll keep out the M3 vs RX8, I know which I'd have..
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MikeHiow was telling us how an RX8 is as quick as an M3, then hurfdurf came along to explain why we are all wrong in saying it isnt.
[TW]Fox;17254125 said:
I repeatedly said how it was in the M3's league, I never said it was as quick or faster than an M3, (in fact I even suggested that it could be because the M3 was done in the wet I was so surprised by the equal lap times) just that it shares a quality. The quality of being genuinely sporty.
hurfdurf said:
Your lies by omission and misrepresentation of things make your credibility on par with MikeHiow sometimes, its just you are more dangerous because a lot of the time you talk sense and your terrible lies are often very subtle and intentionally disguised.
I stand corrected then, you can see my point though. Just because two cars are 'genuinelly sporty' (What a stupid term) doesnt mean they are in the same league performance wise!
I disagree it is in the same league.
Well, being 'genuinely sporty' doesn't make a car good, or in the same league as the benchmark car, but its a good start.
I don't quite succumb to the same feelings for the E46 M3 as many others do, so the RX8 snapping at its heels isn't really a shock to me - but clearly you hold the M3 in higher regards, and therefore it is a shock to you.
It is like many people don't hold the RX8 in very high regards, because all their mates that have test driven one when down the motorway one junction and concluded it didn't feel very fast. Having taken one to its limits, in its prime territory (Some awesome, twisty B roads) - I can honestly say it is one of the few cars that really genuinely do it for me in driving experience alone.
If I had an RX8 and an M3 on the drive, I'd take the M3 for a drive to my mothers with the family, but I'd get in the RX8 every time if I just fancied a drive.
Those track results showed that the RX8 really did snap at the M3s heels, IMO - Yes a second or two can be a huge margin, but actually watching it, it'd be very close. As for the places where bigger margins were observed, I'd say they were faster tracks where the M3s extra power really helps it along.
Of course someone will come along and rip this post to shreds now, question my credibility and tell me I'm wrong, but the above is simply my opinion - how I feel.
Ps. The mapped RX8 I drove did rev to 10K, and whilst I'm not 100% sure, I believe the standard ones go a fair bit over 9.
I don't quite succumb to the same feelings for the E46 M3 as many others do, so the RX8 snapping at its heels isn't really a shock to me - but clearly you hold the M3 in higher regards, and therefore it is a shock to you.
It is like many people don't hold the RX8 in very high regards, because all their mates that have test driven one when down the motorway one junction and concluded it didn't feel very fast. Having taken one to its limits, in its prime territory (Some awesome, twisty B roads) - I can honestly say it is one of the few cars that really genuinely do it for me in driving experience alone.
If I had an RX8 and an M3 on the drive, I'd take the M3 for a drive to my mothers with the family, but I'd get in the RX8 every time if I just fancied a drive.
Those track results showed that the RX8 really did snap at the M3s heels, IMO - Yes a second or two can be a huge margin, but actually watching it, it'd be very close. As for the places where bigger margins were observed, I'd say they were faster tracks where the M3s extra power really helps it along.
Of course someone will come along and rip this post to shreds now, question my credibility and tell me I'm wrong, but the above is simply my opinion - how I feel.
Ps. The mapped RX8 I drove did rev to 10K, and whilst I'm not 100% sure, I believe the standard ones go a fair bit over 9.
The RX8 isnt 'nipping at its heels' at all, except for in the deeply flawed Top Gear tracktimes.
But then a diesel 5 Series 'nipping' at the RX8's heels in that.
By your logic I guess Yamamoto is nipping at the heels of Hamilton in this years F1?
But then a diesel 5 Series 'nipping' at the RX8's heels in that.
By your logic I guess Yamamoto is nipping at the heels of Hamilton in this years F1?
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