DC2 vs. RX8

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I don't think I can ever sell my DC2 even if I wanted too since our love is so deep. I'll just have to save up and buy an additional car outright if I ever need 5 doors. :p

I have 2 friends who have both owned RX8's, one of them the Prodrive version, and they both kept them for a good...4/6 weeks respectively.
 
Am I the only person who just doesn't understand the allure of the DC2?

Don't get me wrong, I'm FAR from a Brand/Age nob when it comes to cars but I struggle to see them much more than an expensive old Honda. Yes, I know Evo rants on about them being one of (the?) best FWD car around, but I just don't see the appeal, I just don't see why some people go weak in the knees of just the sight of one like it is a highly prized piece of exotica. Surely the hype isn't justified?
 
So one of the best RX8 features is an engine with fuel consumption completely disproportionate to it's power output, a tenancy to flood, comical oil consumption and some very, very serious reliability concerns? :confused:

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Putting such an awful engine in an otherwise good car doesn't make sense, that's for sure. I've driven and owned enough cars that don't "feel" fast but they were still good cars, the RX8 is massively let down by the choice of rotary engine. The engine doesn't have any redeeming features at all. You might bleat on about how smooth it is but so is a 6 cylinder BMW and they don't drink oil, get low teen mpg and flood when you reverse out of your garage and switch the engine off.

Yes, exactly. What you fail to realise is that half the reason this car is so good is because of that engine. Because it is so small, it can be mounted so far back and so low down - which is what allows the car to remain so balanced.

The rotary is like Marmite, but rather than like you either 'get' it, or you don't, and no - a BMW 6 pot is no where near as smooth as a rotary, as yes a BMW 6 pot does use oil.

On the subject of oil, yes it uses oil - about 1 litre per 1-2000 miles, but then the Rotary engine does not require synthetic oils, therefore oil doesn't cost nearly as much as you'd usually be used to. This is something very few people consider when slating the oil consumption of the RX8.

Flooding isn't really a concern unless you are careless and it really is restricted to the engine running for seconds from cold - a mile journey down the road to the shop isn't going to start giving you flooding issues.

To me, the low fuel consumption and the oil consumption is a price I'd be willing to pay to own one. Considering you can pick up a 6 year old sports car, with great equipment levels and that handles fantastically for just £5k (which by comparison is what a 12 year old Honda costs), is the fuel consumption really that great a concern?
 
Yes, exactly. What you fail to realise is that half the reason this car is so good is because of that engine. Because it is so small, it can be mounted so far back and so low down - which is what allows the car to remain so balanced.

Can you tell me what the weight distribution is on a Mazda RX8 please?

Edit: Actually dont as its clear you dont know, so I'll tell you.

It has front biased weight distribution - but only just - at 52/48.

Interestingly the M3, a car you claimed the RX8 was better balanced than, is perfect 50/50 weight distribution. Mind you, so does my boring old barge, so clearly that amazing engine isn't particularly working wonders for Mazda in this department ;)
 
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It isn't all about weight distribution - although it does help. The Mazda isn't that far off 50/50 (according to you) while remaining 150kg lighter - I guess you could make it 50/50 with some balast, and still keep it lighter than either BMW you mention ;)

The other benefit is the low mounting point of the engine (possible because of its small size) giving you a low centre of mavity.
 
Polar moment of inertia is far more important than 50:50.

No point having 50:50 if all that weight is at the front and back of the car.
 
Am I the only person who just doesn't understand the allure of the DC2?

Don't get me wrong, I'm FAR from a Brand/Age nob when it comes to cars but I struggle to see them much more than an expensive old Honda. Yes, I know Evo rants on about them being one of (the?) best FWD car around, but I just don't see the appeal, I just don't see why some people go weak in the knees of just the sight of one like it is a highly prized piece of exotica. Surely the hype isn't justified?

Drive one then comment. You don't see the hype, you experience it
 
Ones a BTCC car and one keeps oil companies in business. I'd buy the touring car one because, well, it's a race car and race cars are quicker. I believe the 50/50 weight balance of the M3 doesn't show itself when corner weighted and its left to right balance is somewhat off too. Wouldn't put to much into that myself, not on the road. All 3 will corner at similar speeds just one will use its horses to increase the gaps on the straight bits. Top Gear lap times REALLY shouldn't be used as a marker of a cars performance, they are a joke measure.
 
DC2 has a weight distribution of 63/37, must have terrible balance and drive like a pig then right. Oh no, wait, turns out weight distribution doesn't have anything to do with balance.
 
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