Death/Dying

davisdavid said:
Sometimes you don't have to leave people behind - they dig you up and dress you for parties and parades.

(WARNING: This Mail Online article below won't be to everyone's taste and may offend people for not only being the Mail but also the images can be deemed as graphic.)

Indonesia Festival
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I have seen it.

Might as well dig up a dead cat.

When people die they are gone, what is left is nothing more than flesh and bone. The is no value or affection, they gone period.

People in Indonesia have a cave people mentality. :rolleyes:

We don't actually live, we just exist for fleeting time. ;)
 
Although it is illogical I have an absolute fear of death in the sense that I believe the universe would effectively cease to exist upon my death. I guess this is because the 'universe' is essentially just what I perceive it to be. Everyone else will have their own perception of the universe, that will cease to exist upon their death.

I realise this is a very selfish attitude. My expectation is that I would always act with self preservation in mind when faced with a moral dillemna, e.g. offered the choice of me being killed or 10 other people being killed, I'd probably choose the latter.

I'm also getting to an age where I am starting to get more worried about my future life, in the sense that I have passed my physical peak. Until recently, an average life of say 75-80 years has always felt like an extremely long time. But now I am looking at it from the perspective of, I'm probably more than halfway through my 'prime' years i.e. when you are physically/mentally developed but not suffering too much from aging.

I've never bought into the 'live every day like it is your last' mentality, but I can see myself adopting a 'live every year like it is your last' philosophy at some point. Plenty of things I've always put off saying I can do them when I'm older etc, but it would be a shame to miss out on them.
 
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I'm not going to lie and say I have a curiosity of would happen if you had a moment where you had died and then brought back in to life, like the film they made with Kevin bacon sandwich
 
DJMK4 said:
I'm not going to lie and say I have a curiosity of would happen if you had a moment where you had died and then brought back in to life, like the film they made with Kevin bacon sandwich
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If you are brought back to life then you have never truly died. ;)
 
Mynight said:
At that point it's fine to be scared of it. There's no point in me spending the rest of my years fearful of the day that tefal will kidnap me for his snuff movie. I get the impression I'd never see it coming :D.
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you look pretty when you sleep :o
 
Yup very scared indeed. I have nothing and have achieved nothing. The one thing I want is for people to remember me for something good. If I die anytime soon that won't be the case.

Pain doesn't bother me but the nothingness that could be there after death is pretty scary.
 
Listening to Alan Watts just gave me the shivers a bit.

One day this will all end...

Sure there will be nothingness, but it's nice to be in this world, for most of us at least.
 
NickK said:
The really fun bit is: is our personality created by the structure and links of the neurons.... or the electrical patterns cycling through the brain (i.e. the feedback of electrical ion pulses... or both.. as both structure (hardware) and the signals could be personality (software data)... just as you can have instruction adapting programs or data-driven programs or a combination of both..
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This is one thing I find quite interesting - what we are made up of is essentially a hugely complex collective of simple dumb feedback systems - no matter how complex you make them that doesn't account for self awareness.
 
sigma said:
What if death is just the beginning? I'm not on about it in a religious sense, but what if you do remember everything in your lifetime when you no longer exist in a body. Perhaps you go into another dimension?

That would be strange. It's something I've never really considered it before.
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The beginning of the afterlife / next stage of your journey of evolution

DJMK4 said:
I'm not going to lie and say I have a curiosity of would happen if you had a moment where you had died and then brought back in to life, like the film they made with Kevin bacon sandwich
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NDEs ;)
 
Gerard said:
Seen people state this argument and it makes no sense, we might not have existed then but it still means in the future we still have to go through the process of dying, leaving people behind,and depending on what way we die there's no way to tell what degree of pain may or may not be involved. Knowing that all we have seen\known\cared about is about to come to an end and we won't see any-more after that, that's a lot to take on-board.
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The point was about being dead, not about dying. As many people (including myself) have said, they are two very different things so it's irrelevant to bring dying up in response to my post.

Not being alive is a valid comparison to not being alive. So of course it makes sense.

I was responding to a very specific point:

I can't wrap my head around not existing.. it's like trying to comprehend the size of the universe, my mind just can't process it and that scares me.
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Why do you think it makes no sense to refer to another point in time in which that person didn't exist, yet isn't scared of?
 
Curio said:
Obviously afraid of dying in agony, but not at tall worried about what comes after. It could be pure nothingness, or heaven with a bearded god and angels flying around....or anything in between. We really have no clue and one theory is no better than another. I find it strange that people mock the ideas that religion offers about the afterlife when the idea of "nothing" (or anything else) is equally absurd when we have no idea about the true nature of existence.
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Making things up and using them to try to force people to obey you (which is the whole point of religious ideas about an afterlife) is worse than not doing so. Also, it's not a theory. It's not even a hypothesis. It's either delusion or manipulation.

Maybe one of the many ideas people have made up about an afterlife is true. Maybe there's an afterlife but it's something different to what anyone has made up. Maybe the truth matches the available evidence - that there isn't an afterlife. My position is the same regardless - if I'm dead, I'm dead. If I am software and that's uploaded to something else when the hardware I'm currently running on stops working, I'd still be dead in the context of this life.
 
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