Death row final statements

Some have spent so long on death row before they're actually disposed i'd imagine their crimes certainly don't feel worth it.

Still, i'm sure there should be a profitable way to keep a prisoner imprisoned as its a large sum of money to hold people 'for life'
 
Participant said:
Most of the so called left wingers haven't had their daughter raped and murdered. That probably tends to taint views somewhat.
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Most of the so called right wingers haven't had their daughter raped and murdered either so what exactly is your point?
 
ANyoen notice that very high percentage of convicts is male. I have not seen a single women on death row. Also where are the statistics male/female ratio? WIll it be like 98/2%.

Women in America got it good.
 
RDM said:
Most of the so called right wingers haven't had their daughter raped and murdered either so what exactly is your point?
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He doesn't have one.

Even if it did, it would be undermined by the fact that people who are or have family members who are victims of horrific crimes are not usually considered to be in a position to be rational on the subject.
 
elmarko said:
He doesn't have one.

Even if it did, it would be undermined by the fact that people who are or have family members who are victims of horrific crimes are not usually considered to be in a position to be rational on the subject.
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I wouldn't be rational on those circumstances either, although I still wouldn't want the state to kill them......and rob me of the potential of doing it myself.
 
Participant said:
Most of the so called left wingers haven't had their daughter raped and murdered. That probably tends to taint views somewhat.
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How would the death of the rapist or murdered make my daughter any less raped?

If I caught the chap raping her, I'd probably try to kill him. But, given time to think about it and have normal thoughts, I'd never condemn someone to death, no matter what they'd done.

I do not have the right to decide who lives or dies. The only person that owns your life is you.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
How would the death of the rapist or murdered make my daughter any less raped?
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We are onto a winner. :)

As a side note to those dreaming of blood - would it not make more sense to structure society in such a way to reduce the total amount of raped women (rather than focus on revenge for those who are)?.

Would you rather have a justice system based on revenge, or one based on rehabilitation & prevention? - as one satisfies a primal lust for revenge, the other reduces the total amount of victims.
 
Good find OP, never seen anything like this before.

Some of the stuff is quite harrowing, plus some of the statements don't show any remorse or acknowledgement of the crimes committed.
 
elmarko said:
Would you rather have a justice system based on revenge, or one based on rehabilitation & prevention? - as one satisfies a primal lust for revenge, the other reduces the total amount of victims.
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Interesting point, i would most certainly choose the rehabilitation element, but in some minority cases there are always going to be those that either don't want rehabilitation, or just cannot be rehabilitated.

What do you do with the ones that there is just no helping, do you lock them up for life (at the cost of the state), or come to the conclusion that no amount of help and assistance with rehabilitation is going to help, so cut your losses and loose the life that there is just no helping.

It does make you wonder though, does the death penalty act as a deterrent or is it just used as a means to end the lives of those that there is no helping them.
 
Bobcat said:
Interesting point, i would most certainly choose the rehabilitation element, but in some minority cases there are always going to be those that either don't want rehabilitation, or just cannot be rehabilitated.

What do you do with the ones that there is just no helping, do you lock them up for life (at the cost of the state), or come to the conclusion that no amount of help and assistance with rehabilitation is going to help, so cut your losses and loose the life that there is just no helping.

It does make you wonder though, does the death penalty act as a deterrent or is it just used as a means to end the lives of those that there is no helping them.
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Firstly, the death penalty, by research, has been shown not to be a deterrent. The people who wish to commit such crimes as apparently deserve the death penalty are not concerned about their own lives while they are committing the crime.

Secondly, the cost to the state of lifetime imprisonment is less that the average cost of a death penalty case which actually results in execution.

Elmarko is absolutely correct. For some reason, some people seem to think that the justice system is about revenge. It's actually about prevention, recourse, and aims for rehabilitation.
 
Bobcat said:
Interesting point, i would most certainly choose the rehabilitation element, but in some minority cases there are always going to be those that either don't want rehabilitation, or just cannot be rehabilitated.

What do you do with the ones that there is just no helping, do you lock them up for life (at the cost of the state), or come to the conclusion that no amount of help and assistance with rehabilitation is going to help, so cut your losses and loose the life that there is just no helping.

It does make you wonder though, does the death penalty act as a deterrent or is it just used as a means to end the lives of those that there is no helping them.
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I've yet to see any evidence it acts as a deterrent, if anything it would increase the desperation of people likely to be executed & cause the crimes to escalate into full blown police shoot-outs, rampages (escalation theory).

If you really do have nothing to loose by trying anything - why give up?.

It also excludes the possibility of release if new evidence comes to light in which the person is proven to be innocent (which will always happen, as our justice system isn't perfect) - this one is key from my point of view, call me a massive softy - but the idea of executing people who turn out to be innocent isn't one which sits well with me.

It also costs just as much due to the lengthy legal requirements (which I don't think should be slashed, as when you are taking a persons life, you should be pretty damn sure it's the right thing to do).

On a final note, I just don't think we should ever want to give our governments the authority to kill it citizens - it's open to abuse & judges are not exactly known for being totally immune to bias or bigotry.
 
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elmarko said:
I've yet to see any evidence it acts as a deterrent, if anything it would increase the desperation of people likely to be executed & cause the crimes to escalate into full blown police shoot-outs, rampages (escalation theory).
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I see what you mean, and agree, for instance, why stop at killing 3 people if you know you are going to be on death-row, they probably think "what the hell" and kill 5 or 10 as they know the punishment is not to different, if they are going to get killed as a punishment, go all out, they have nothing to loose.
 
I'm against death row, a lot of good reasons listed above me.

Personally I think setting prisoners to work in jail is a good idea with a minimum time + minimum work achieved before release.
 
kenich11 said:
I'm against death row, a lot of good reasons listed above me.

Personally I think setting prisoners to work in jail is a good idea with a minimum time + minimum work achieved before release.
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What can work is get them to work on tasks which actually build self-esteem & reconnect them to society.

Get them to work sure, but specific jobs which give them skill-sets when they go out into the world once released (to reduce the chances of them going back inside) & benefit wider society (not slave labour style work).

People seem to forget that most murders or serious criminals started off small, theft, assault & various other comparatively minor crimes - we then shut them off in our youth offender institutes (or as adults into prisons designed for punishment) & when they get out they continue on the path.

Slowly moving from more serious crimes to more serious crimes - when in reality it should be nipped in the bud at the first instance & they should be set on a better path.

The problem is, a revenge based justice system prevents this - as what's required is considered "too soft" by the public.

I don't care if the solution is left or right wing - just that it works, it's the goal which is important (which in theory should be "reduce the total amount of victims") it just happens that facts related to this topic tend to have a "liberal bias".
 
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