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Were we right to get involved in Libya?

  • Yes

    Votes: 306 50.9%

  • No

    Votes: 295 49.1%
  • Total voters
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arknor said:
its all a lot of BS, they stop gaddafi when he attacks the rebel held towns.

when the rebels assault the gaddafi held cities they still bomb gaddafi troops...

if the UN was neutral it would attack the rebels when they are trying to turn a civlian area into a warzone and the UN would tell both sides any military units inbetween brega and ajdabiya will be bombed.

instead of trring to stop a war they encourage it
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Captain Planet said:
You're being really naive about the whole situation aren't you?
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No he isn't he's pretty much hit the nail on the head, we've interjected into another countries civil war because we want their oil and under the guise of protecting civilians and we have become the rebels air force, loyalists kill civilians and we bomb them, rebels kill civilians and we bomb the loyalists.

Civilians are being killed by both sides and our air strikes its called collateral damage and its actually much lower in Libya then it was when we went into Iraq...
 
EdGey said:
Yes it is, but I think its better this way. Because in a sense, the more unknown, and secret they are, the more useful they are.

Let the SAS take all the fame, while other forces operate with no coverage at all.
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Haha, you have a point, but it does rile me up a little when I hear people going on about how the SAS helped lead the invasion of Afghanistan when in fact it was the SBS.
 
Castiel said:
Except that can't tell the difference between British Soldiers and the Enemy on occasion. The SAS are almost (not quite, because no-one is that bad) as bad as the USMC at shooting the wrong side...:p
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I know which ones i'd rather have at the side of me if **** hits the fan though :p
 
Andr3w said:
I know which ones i'd rather have at the side of me if **** hits the fan though :p
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The SAS who have a propensity to shoot the wrong side, or the SBS who do not......:p

I suppose it depends whether you have a death-wish or not.;)

Seriously though, it isn't the ability of each service that is the issue, as both are equally adept, it is just the public perception that the SAS are the only service and that much of what is attributed to them is in fact the SBS.
 
Castiel said:
The SAS who have a propensity to shoot the wrong side, or the SBS who do not......:p
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Marine prefers SBS shocker.... :D

Castiel said:
Seriously though, it isn't the ability of each service that is the issue, as both are equally adept, it is just the public perception that the SAS are the only service and that much of what is attributed to them is in fact the SBS.
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It is pretty much all down to the Iranian Embassy Siege. The SAS entered popular imagination with a vengence at that point. Not to mention that details of the UKSF are generally hard to come by due to their nature.
 
Castiel said:
Except that they can't tell the difference between British Soldiers and the Enemy on occasion. The SAS are almost (not quite, because no-one is that bad) as bad as the USMC at shooting the wrong side...:p
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Who is the most elite of the British special forces in your opinion then?

And who is the most elite of the worldwide special forces out of interest?

Interpret 'elite' as you wish :p
 
Castiel said:
Except that they can't tell the difference between British Soldiers and the Enemy on occasion. The SAS are almost (not quite, because no-one is that bad) as bad as the USMC at shooting the wrong side...:p
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When have the SAS shot their own side?
 
Robboftw said:
Who is the most elite of the British special forces in your opinion then?

And who is the most elite of the worldwide special forces out of interest?

Interpret 'elite' as you wish :p
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Out of the British id say SAS/SBS are pretty much a tie

Out of all id say either Spetsnaz GRU or whatever the Chinese equivalent are.
 
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Robboftw said:
Who is the most elite of the British special forces in your opinion then?

And who is the most elite of the worldwide special forces out of interest?

Interpret 'elite' as you wish :p
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In reality the UKSF operate as a single command and the tier 1 units have no peer. In my (probably biased) opinion.
 
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ubersonic said:
No he isn't he's pretty much hit the nail on the head, we've interjected into another countries civil war because we want their oil and under the guise of protecting civilians and we have become the rebels air force, loyalists kill civilians and we bomb them, rebels kill civilians and we bomb the loyalists.

Civilians are being killed by both sides and our air strikes its called collateral damage and its actually much lower in Libya then it was when we went into Iraq...
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No he is naive in the pretence that he somehow thinks the UN has ever been neutral :p
 
Castiel said:
Not really. Since 1977 they have been equally deployed for land based operations.
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Their only major land operations were 1st Gulf War (Falklands was not really land based) really, I'm not sure how much action they saw in Balkans etc.

I don't see the point of having SBS and SAS personally, should just merge them into one.

In fact, the whole army/airforce/navy needs restructuring to be more of a single force, USMC style.
 
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rypt said:
Their only major land operations were 1st Gulf War (Falklands was not really land based) really, I'm not sure how much action they saw in Balkans etc.

I don't see the point of having SBS and SAS personally, should just merge them into one.

In fact, the whole army/airforce/navy needs restructuring to be more of a single force, USMC style.
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With respect, but the SBS have been involved in a lot more land operations than those in the public domain that you can google Rypt.

Also the SAS and SBS are no longer separate commands and have not been since the late 80's. SAS/SBS are under the same UKSF umbrella.
 
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Just done a quick read up about the friendly fire incident at the falklands.

For anyone who is interested:

Blue On Blue

On the night of June 2nd a 'friendly fire' incident took place between the SAS and the Special Boat Squadron (SBS). An SBS patrol had apparently strayed into the SAS patrol's designated area and were mistaken for Argentine forces. A brief firefight was initiated during which one of the SBS patrol, Sergeant Ian Hunt, was gunned down. This tragic incident was the catalyst for improved cooperation between the rival units.

http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/history/falklands/
 
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