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Raymond Lin · 6 Jul 2011 at 14:00

btw, what spec is the KA???

It's just a friend of mine just got rear ended. She had a KA and it seems likely that it will be a Cat C as the boot won't shut. She would like something similar spec like leather seats, alloys and CD player. Hers was low mileage too so your 12,000 one sounds good.

Gustov · 6 Jul 2011 at 14:01

Raymond Lin said:
The handling and performance is where the Clio has over the ST. That's it I think. I can live with the ST day to day more and spend more time inside it than the Clio.

That and the fact that the clio looks better!

NathWraith · 6 Jul 2011 at 14:03

Gustov, I think after the Soarer/Supra thread, looks are entirely subjective

That goes for interior and exterior!

Rybo89 · 6 Jul 2011 at 14:14

Clio 172's do look good, but not as good as a ST.

Very sure 9/10 of the average person would agree aswell.

Anyway, Milkybk... My ST will be going soon for a good price

rjk · 6 Jul 2011 at 14:55

we should just really have a fiesta ST thread...

NathWraith · 6 Jul 2011 at 15:00

rjkoneill said:
we should just really have a fiesta ST thread...

Make one then! Fiesta ST FAQ

DAnDan · 6 Jul 2011 at 15:04

rjkoneill said:
we should just really have a fiesta ST thread...

I'm in! The 182s have theirs, now it's our turn!

Picking mine up at about half 6!

Raymond Lin · 6 Jul 2011 at 15:09

Why are there no love for the Yaris SR

It comes in 3 drs & 5drs
it was only for sale for like 6 months (exclusivity! I have never seen another SR on the road yet)
It is reliable, it is a Toyota after all
It is well speced - some come with bluetooth, mine has keyless entry/comfort access/Smart Start or whatever you want to call it.
It will surprise people, no one would expect 1.8L under the hood of a Yaris.

ok...both Clio and ST is faster so its only a warm hatch.

Mucky_Pup · 6 Jul 2011 at 15:24

Raymond Lin said:
Why are there no love for the Yaris SR

Because it's a coffin dodgers/womans car in all guises.

NathWraith · 6 Jul 2011 at 15:44

Mucky_Pup said:
Because it's a coffin dodgers/womans car in all guises.

Unfortuantly so raymond

Raymond Lin · 6 Jul 2011 at 15:46

NathWraith said:
Unfortuantly so raymond

Hence the surprise when it is quicker than their little Saxo

Tute · 6 Jul 2011 at 15:47

NathWraith said:
Yes I agree on all points.

However I do appreciate the handling and performance credentials the Clio has. I just don't believe it is the better all round car.

Totally agree with this. I respect the various "sporty" Clios, but I absolutely hate them and would never own one.

Gustov said:
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Love the colour, but the car itself makes me urge. They just look like bubbles on wheels to me - same ballpark as the first Ford Ka.

BD10NNF · 6 Jul 2011 at 18:35

TBH a ST is just as fast as a clio in a straight line and will probably keep up with one and a day to day basis. On a track the clio would win hands down. My only problem with the clio is how much the belts cost and how much of a pain the job is. Thats what put me off.
I do prefer the look and the drive of a clio but the Fez looks just as good and isnt as costly to run.

Jay · 6 Jul 2011 at 18:48

No disrespect to ST owners, but you would only get an ST if you couldn't insure a 182. I've owned many hot hatches in my time, and I have to say the 182 is by far one of the best.

I found the ST underpowered and a bit "clunky". Maybe the 180bhp upgrade improves the performance of the ST but still you cannot beat a 182 £ per fun.

I wouldn't say no to an ST, they are good, reliable cars I just think what's the point if you can get a 182 for same price or cheaper.

If you have your heart set on a ST then fair play.

Jay · 6 Jul 2011 at 18:51

BD10NNF said:
TBH a ST is just as fast as a clio in a straight line and will probably keep up with one and a day to day basis. On a track the clio would win hands down. My only problem with the clio is how much the belts cost and how much of a pain the job is. Thats what put me off.
I do prefer the look and the drive of a clio but the Fez looks just as good and isnt as costly to run.

The belts are not that expensive if you go to a indy. iirc when i had mine done moons ago (when i owned a 182), it was £495 inc a service. The aux belt is every 3 years or 36k and is about £350 i think, the cam is every 5 years or 72k and as i said about about £495 (air con vers). The aux belt is changed at the same time.

Joshy · 6 Jul 2011 at 19:05

I really am surprised at the sort of following that the Fiesta STs have because I just can't understand why someone would want one over the significantly more powerful Civic Type R or the better handling (and again more powerful) 182. On paper they seem a little bit rubbish?

The only real justification is that you get a slightly newer car for your money, which is a bit of a rubbish justification for when buying a 'Hot' hatch.

Actually, at 150BHP surely its more of a warm hatch than anything?

Raymond Lin · 6 Jul 2011 at 19:14

Jay said:
No disrespect to ST owners, but you would only get an ST if you couldn't insure a 182. I've owned many hot hatches in my time, and I have to say the 182 is by far one of the best.

I found the ST underpowered and a bit "clunky". Maybe the 180bhp upgrade improves the performance of the ST but still you cannot beat a 182 £ per fun.

I wouldn't say no to an ST, they are good, reliable cars I just think what's the point if you can get a 182 for same price or cheaper.

If you have your heart set on a ST then fair play.

I can get insured on a Z4 with no NCB so I am pretty sure i can get insurance on a clio. Yes I wouldn't get one because your reasoning although sound, it is also narrow minded, narrow minded in the way that it is 1 reason - performance. One don't really care for performance on a -5C January Monday morning to work. One like comfort, and the ST is a lot more comfortable.

Joshy said:
I really am surprised at the sort of following that the Fiesta STs have because I just can't understand why someone would want one over the significantly more powerful Civic Type R or the better handling (and again more powerful) 182. On paper they seem a little bit rubbish?

The only real justification is that you get a slightly newer car for your money, which is a bit of a rubbish justification for when buying a 'Hot' hatch.

Actually, at 150BHP surely its more of a warm hatch than anything?

Honda Civic are come with a scene tax, or whatever you want to call it. Set yourself a price and look at all 3 cars and the Civic Type-R always are older or higher mileage.

Plus, its French, and for me...it is actually a real reason, i would never buy a French car.

Joshy · 6 Jul 2011 at 19:22

Raymond Lin said:
One don't really care for performance on a -5C January Monday morning to work. One like comfort, and the ST is a lot more comfortable.

Fatal flaw in that argument. If comfort, ride quality and a nice interior are of that much importance why are you looking at hot hatches?

Raymond Lin said:
Honda Civic are come with a scene tax, or whatever you want to call it. Set yourself a price and look at all 3 cars and the Civic Type-R always are older or higher mileage.

But its not like it is the differences are MASSIVE. Dealing with a couple of extra thousand miles and 2-3 years more age seems worth it for a better car, surely?

Raymond Lin said:
Plus, its French, and for me...it is actually a real reason, i would never buy a French car.

That's a bit silly.

Raymond Lin · 6 Jul 2011 at 19:27

Joshy said:
Fatal flaw in that argument. If comfort, ride quality and a nice interior are of that much importance why are you looking at hot hatches?

Because one only has £5k and a 5 year old BMW 330i cost about £20k where as a 5 year old ST can be had for £5k.

Plus, why can't one want comfort AND a bit nippy? what is wrong with that? Do you expect crap interior just because you are buying something label as a Hot hatch? Does Hot hatch and crap interior and crap ride go hand in hand exclusively?

Joshy said:
But its not like it is the differences are MASSIVE. Dealing with a couple of extra thousand miles and 2-3 years more age seems worth it for a better car, surely?

it is like 2 year difference in age, or 20k in miles, that is a lot, to me.

Joshy said:
That's a bit silly.

No more silly than people here don't like Vauxhall. I just don't like French cars. It stems from personal experiences from the past. It is like one had food poisoning after eating chicken as a child and then hates chicken. I had a bad experience with a French car.

alexisonfire · 6 Jul 2011 at 19:27

The ST is the all round better car, i wouldn't say there was any difference in build quality or reliability though compared to a clio. All the horror stories of the clio come from people buying lemons, and there's lots out there, these types of cars have the **** thrashed out of them, and when you buy a 100k mile + one for £1k, something is gonna break.

If you are after a comfy, well spec'd, reasonably quick hatchback, the ST is a very good car. But if performance, handling and general driving fun is top priority, test drive an ST and then a clio 172/182, you will never look back.