Delidded the 7960X - just a little difference ( -9 to -14 degrees )

KiNgPiN83 · 18 Jun 2018 at 14:01

Freddie1980 said:
The argument is that with modern CPU the power states means the CPU can rapidly cycle between hot and cool which over the long run can lead to solder cracking hence why they have chosen to use thermal paste. I don't deny this enlargement but I've not come across it personally, I guess with all the Zen CPU's on the market it's a bigger potability so it's wait and see I guess.

With the cooling around these days surely the temp changes are more gradual so its less of an issue? As in compared to a really fast hot then cold cycle.

blaineoliver · 18 Jun 2018 at 15:20

They could use a thermal paste that was actually in some way conductive, if the 'solder' was really an issue. We will see all of the Zen based CPUs getting hotter over time then apparently?

Freddie1980 · 18 Jun 2018 at 16:10

blaineoliver said:
They could use a thermal paste that was actually in some way conductive, if the 'solder' was really an issue. We will see all of the Zen based CPUs getting hotter over time then apparently?

Wait and see, in 2/3 years time Intel might be proven right in it's choice to use thermal paste. We just don't know.

Skorpion · 18 Jun 2018 at 21:34

Will be doing my 7980xe when the rock it delid tool arrives.

Will be replacing the stock IHS with a full copper one as well during the process.

Pooh · 18 Jun 2018 at 23:30

Skorpion said:
Will be doing my 7980xe when the rock it delid tool arrives.

Will be replacing the stock IHS with a full copper one as well during the process.

So ... where do you get the full copper one from ?

Skorpion · 19 Jun 2018 at 03:02

Pooh said:
So ... where do you get the full copper one from ?

I got mine on a well known auction site £27 + £5 postage.

Type in i9 copper ihs

Pooh · 19 Jun 2018 at 07:03

Skorpion said:
I got mine on a well known auction site £27 + £5 postage.

Type in i9 copper ihs

thanks

mattup · 19 Jun 2018 at 16:01

The use of TIM is all about the ease of manufacture and cost.

Simples

subbytna · 19 Jun 2018 at 17:19

Didn't Gamers Nexus do a copper IHS v "normal" IHS and found to be 1 degree different. Is it worth it or is it for asthetics you're getting it?

Pooh · 19 Jun 2018 at 23:20

subbytna said:
Didn't Gamers Nexus do a copper IHS v "normal" IHS and found to be 1 degree different. Is it worth it or is it for asthetics you're getting it?

not sure but for the sakes of £35 it's a bit of fun, let's see what happens....

Skorpion · 19 Jun 2018 at 23:24

Personally I am doing it just to try it out. It may turn out worse than the stock IHS.

Cpu will be on its own custom loop with 2, 360 rads anyway so temps shouldn't be a major issue.

Only choice now is whether to go with the monoblock or the supremacy evo. Might try both and just go with the best performer.

subbytna · 20 Jun 2018 at 07:35

Pooh said:
not sure but for the sakes of £35 it's a bit of fun, let's see what happens....

Oh God yeah. Thats what it's all about...MOAR!

blaineoliver · 25 Jun 2018 at 16:29

Freddie1980 said:
Wait and see, in 2/3 years time Intel might be proven right in it's choice to use thermal paste. We just don't know.

Where are all the broken 2500K from Intel? These are soldered and still going strong by all accounts.

JediFragger · 25 Jun 2018 at 22:36

Couldn't imagine my 8700k without a delid tbh, keeps temps reasonable!!

Svack · 26 Jun 2018 at 10:58

blaineoliver said:
Where are all the broken 2500K from Intel? These are soldered and still going strong by all accounts.

This is a very good point considering some of the clock speeds people were getting on them

Pooh · 3 Jul 2018 at 15:46

Pooh said:
not sure but for the sakes of £35 it's a bit of fun, let's see what happens....

It's arrived, not the quickest of deliveries.

Need to find a bit of time to fit the thing now.

Silent_Scone · 4 Jul 2018 at 07:43

iakhtar said:
Sadly and frustratingly nobody really cares, just the way Intel likes it.

Freddie1980 said:
The argument is that with modern CPU the power states means the CPU can rapidly cycle between hot and cool which over the long run can lead to solder cracking hence why they have chosen to use thermal paste. I don't deny this enlargement but I've not come across it personally, I guess with all the Zen CPU's on the market it's a bigger potability so it's wait and see I guess.

I've seen two CPU personally, one being a 5960x succumb to cracking. There are legitimate reasons why not to solder the IHS for the reasons you describe above, but also Intel's environmental footprint is under scrutiny. If one has no qualms about invalidating their warranty, then there's no problem with changing the compound. Contrary to popular believe between "enthusiasts", Intel know what they're doing and have some of the best metallurgists in the world.

Worth noting also, that when the TIM cracks, it doesn't necessarily mean the CPU will fail as some have stipulated in this thread. However, it's still not a good thing as temps will increase, and the risk of damaging the CPU whilst delidding is far greater.

mmj_uk · 4 Jul 2018 at 11:16

blaineoliver said:
Where are all the broken 2500K from Intel? These are soldered and still going strong by all accounts.

Even if some do have cracked solder they probably still have way better temps than the chips using paste.

Silent_Scone · 4 Jul 2018 at 12:36

mmj_uk said:
Even if some do have cracked solder they probably still have way better temps than the chips using paste.

There won't be any 2500K using paste, and by all accounts comparing 4 cores to 10-18 regardless of TDP is fruitless.

mmj_uk · 4 Jul 2018 at 12:39

My point is a cracked solder joint will still transfer heat better than paste so why even bother changing. I think the whole thing is just about cost saving and placing artificial limits on overclocking (particularly the voltage used) myself.