Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

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kindai said:
Yes, even mixing alcohol and uppers can be extremely dangerous even despite the relatively mild effect of alcohol compared to other substances.
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I mix alcohol and benzodiazepines at weekends. That can leave you feeling very peculiar at times. I dread to think what alcohol, speedball or whatever could do to you!
 
robfosters said:
I mix alcohol and benzodiazepines at weekends. That can leave you feeling very peculiar at times. I dread to think what alcohol, speedball or whatever could do to you!
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Mixing meth and fentanyl sounds utterly insane to me. Either one's dangerous enough by itself, but mixing the two is bonkers. Even more so when you're buying on the street as you can't really know what doses you're taking.
 
Angilion said:
Mixing meth and fentanyl sounds utterly insane to me. Either one's dangerous enough by itself, but mixing the two is bonkers. Even more so when you're buying on the street as you can't really know what doses you're taking.
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I had Fentanyl once in hospital, never again. Ive never known dizziness like it, it was awful, and I felt really paranoid, to the point where my heart went from 60bpm to about 110. It lasted about 4 hours. Horrendous experience.
 
robfosters said:
I had Fentanyl once in hospital, never again. Ive never known dizziness like it, it was awful, and I felt really paranoid, to the point where my heart went from 60bpm to about 110. It lasted about 4 hours. Horrendous experience.
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I had heroin once in hospital. It used to be used in the UK under its standard chemical name - diacetyl morphine. No idea if it still is or if it's been replaced with synthetic opiods (like Fentanyl). Hmm...I'll look that up...apparently it's still used. Anyway, for me it was utterly amazingly wonderful. It sure did the job it's meant for - painkilling - and then some. I should have been in a lot of pain, but I was in LaLaLand. I understand how people get addicted to the stuff. I really do. Even without the chemical addiction, which is savage. But not mixed with meth. That combo will kill anyone sooner or later. May as well play Russian Roulette.
 
It was an aerosolised analogue of Fentanyl that the Russian Alpha Group and Vympel deployed to kill more hostages than terrorists in the Moscow Theatre siege back in 2002. That tells you just how deadly this particular compound can be, and that's without even getting onto carfentanyl which is 100s of times more potent than fentanyl and 1000s of times more potent than heroin.
 
Angilion said:
I had heroin once in hospital. It used to be used in the UK under its standard chemical name - diacetyl morphine. No idea if it still is or if it's been replaced with synthetic opiods (like Fentanyl). Hmm...I'll look that up...apparently it's still used. Anyway, for me it was utterly amazingly wonderful. It sure did the job it's meant for - painkilling - and then some. I should have been in a lot of pain, but I was in LaLaLand. I understand how people get addicted to the stuff. I really do. Even without the chemical addiction, which is savage. But not mixed with meth. That combo will kill anyone sooner or later. May as well play Russian Roulette.
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I love morphine. Makes me feel so good, but not Fentanyl. It’s strange the way certain drugs interact differently in different people.

The best benzo is Chlordiazepoxide. It’s what they give bad alcoholics when they’re going through withdrawal. That stuff took me to another planet. It was glorious.
 
Skunkworks said:
Must have missed that as the first time I heard about it was Friday.

Has there been any revelations that have helped the prosecution? It seems every new piece of info is confirming the overdose story.
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Combine the drugs with the following. (also note he had THC in his system aswell just to add to the list of drugs he took)

"Floyd had three severely narrowed coronary arteries, including one that was 90 percent blocked, autopsies show. His heart was slightly enlarged, probably the result of long-term high blood pressure."

then add in that he had covid-19 which probably further effected his health and lungs, a history of smoking (he was buying cigs at the time) and I can really see how he could have breathing issues unrelated to being suficated and actually died because of his heart and the stress of the situation.
 
Watching the lunchtime BBC news, and they've basically already found him guilty of his murder and motivated by racism.

Good job BBC on your impartial reporting.

Reporter using very emotive language and basically saying that the video footage shows the cop murdered him. "George Floyd was heard pleading for his life as the police knelt on his neck for over 9 minutes..." etc etc

I guess since it was a black reporter the editor felt they couldn't challenge any of her statements.

I can't see this guy getting a fair trial. The media have already decided he's guilty, and if he is acquitted the media will go into overdrive about how black people have been let down by a racist justice system, etc. The damage is already done. The media are preaching his guilt, and now the expectation is that justice means prison sentence.
 
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Guily or not I think we can all agree that, given the global media coverage around this incident and the politics behind it, there's zero chance of Derek Chauvin being given a fair and impartial trial!

We should be focussing on the restraining of a suspect whilst being arrested and police behavoiur/actions surrrounding that. As far as I can see there's no evidence being presented to imply that George Flloyd's death was actually racially aggravated. However, that's the issue which is being pushed to the front in order to fuel the media circus and political agenda surrounding it.
 
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He should definitely be found guilty. It's the only way that humanity will achieve its ultimate goal of moving forward as one glorious, harmonious entity.

EDIT: /s, as I realise that some people will probably take this seriously. Understandable I guess, given the state of some of the drivel that people try to pass off as serious (often successfully).
 
silvagti said:
Guily or not I think we can all agree that, given the global media coverage around this incident and the politics behind it, there's zero chance of Derek Chauvin being given a fair and impartial trial!

We should be focussing on the restraining of a suspect whilst being arrested and police behavoiur/actions surrrounding that. As far as I can see there's no evidence being presented to imply that George Flloyd's death was actually racially aggravated. However, that's the issue which is being pushed to the front in order to fuel the media circus and political agenda surrounding it.
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Remember only 2 of the 4 present officers were white.

Are we saying that all 4 were racist of just the one?

Or could it just be how cops respond regardless of race?

White guy killed in almost identical fashion in 2016, except the guy who died was the one who called the police.

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Seems odd that the prosecution is able to talk about how he was as a person, complete with a bullet point list inc moving to MN for a "fresh start" but the defense can't comment on what that fresh start relates to (moving away after he was involved in an armed robbery and threatened a pregnant woman with a firearm after breaking into her home).... seems slightly unbalanced, if you're going to talk about his character and his past and open that up to the court then surely all of the past becomes relevant else it is rather one-sided and pointless to introduce.
 
Interesting - we hadn't had that bit reported on, Floyd's friends who were in the car say he took two pills in the car (before the police arrive) and then fell asleep and they couldn't wake him up.... the shop workers had been out to the car twice to ask about the counterfeit bill and request he pays for the cigarettes. Friends were worried police would arrive and tried to wake up Floyd.

so it seems he'd already got drugs in his system (a couple of pills) before cops arrived, already falling asleep as a result then swallowed more drugs when they arrived.
 
dowie said:
Interesting - we hadn't had that bit reported on, Floyd's friends who were in the car say he took two pills in the car (before the police arrive) and then fell asleep and they couldn't wake him up.... the shop workers had been out to the car twice to ask about the counterfeit bill and request he pays for the cigarettes. Friends were worried police would arrive and tried to wake up Floyd.

so it seems he'd already got drugs in his system (a couple of pills) before cops arrived, already falling asleep as a result then swallowed more drugs when they arrived.
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Had it on in the background, honestly I dont see how the murder charges will stick, but feel the manslaughter may.
 
FoxEye said:
and now the expectation is that justice means prison sentence.
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Thing is, even if he's found guilty where can they they stick him? No matter what prison they put him in he'll be a marked man, and that falls under the umbrella of 'cruel and unusual', as does making him serve the entirety of whatever sentence they give him in solitary.
 
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