Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

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Concrete said:
Lies.
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The facts are

More white people are killed than black people by police in the US.

The % per population means for every 1 white person its upto 3.5 black person.

However, adjusted for serious crime rates white people are more likely to be killed.

The police are 4 times as likely to be killed by a black person than a white person.
 
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ANDREW GREEN said:
He's not been charged with a hate crime. George Floyd, Tony Timpa, Eric Garner and Elijah McClain were all choked to death by police chokeholds. Only GF's killer has been prosecuted and 3 of those men are black. The BLM aspect is that black people are being disproportionally killed by police at a very high rate. Nearly every time charges are not brought to the officer who commited the crime. So the racism is systematic. It doesn't mean white people don't also suffer police brutality, they just don't to the same degree. Even the law is written to disadvantage the poor. For instance the jail time for crack cocaine is much higher than cocaine. One is consumed by poor people, which the other is consumed by the wealthy. It's the same drug.
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Please take the time to listen to this.

https://youtu.be/vmgxtcbc4iU

Around 1000 people are killed by police each year in the US. Of this number around 50% are white and around 25% are black. Yes it's true that per capita more black people die at the hands of police but there are various factors that explain this. It's complex but cannot simply be attributed to racism.
 
I think if he gets away with murder, then manslaughter should stick. Not sure how it works over there though, can he be tried for one crime (murder) but be found guilty of another?
 
VincentHanna said:
That's not really the point - How many are killed whilst already handcuffed?

This isn't a straightforward - "lets compare when cops kill white people vs black people"
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If somebody suffers a drugs overdose while handcuffed is that automatically murder in your eyes?
 
The Running Man said:
I hate to burst your bubble but some diverse groups are also more likely to commit crimes such as murder etc.

Also in the case I presented the policeman didnt get prosecuted I believe, so how is it systematic racism if the same outcome occurred for both races?
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Which is all well and good if the victim of police killings were engaging in murder. Elijah McClain was a law obiding citizen, George Floyd was killed for resisting arrest for using a forged bank note while Eric Garner was killed for selling cigaretes.

It's systematic racism because blacks are targeted and profiled and in turn murdered at a higher rate in comparison to their number in the population. If you're a black male in America you have a 1 in 1000 chance of being killed by the police over the course of your life time.
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
Which is all well and good if the victim of police killings were engaging in murder. Elijah McClain was a law obiding citizen, George Floyd was killed for resisting arrest for using a forged bank note while Eric Garner was killed for selling cigaretes.

It's systematic racism because blacks are targeted and profiled and in turn murdered at a higher rate in comparison to their number in the population. If you're a black male in America you have a 1 in 1000 chance of being killed by the police over the course of your life time.
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What % were resisting arrest?

People who are committing crime are targeted shocker. I would hope so too.
 
200sols said:
If somebody suffers a drugs overdose while handcuffed is that automatically murder in your eyes?
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I saw the (ex) policemans lawyer say in the opening statement that one of the causes of death was increased adrenaline.

I think my adrenaline would be pumping if I was being slowly asphyxiated with a knee on my neck...
 
VincentHanna said:
That's not really the point - How many are killed whilst already handcuffed?

This isn't a straightforward - "lets compare when cops kill white people vs black people"
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Of course it isn't straight forward. That's why I said it's complex. There are many factors which lead to these outcomes, one of which is likelihood to resist arrest which on its own escalates the possibility of lethal force being used.
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
Of course it isn't straight forward. That's why I said it's complex. There are many factors which lead to these outcomes, one of which is likelihood to resist arrest which on its own escalates the possibility of lethal force being used.
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If you look at recent ones like Floyd and the guy at Wendy's it was clear they didn't want to go back to prison and would try anything to avoid it, including attempting to taser a policeman.
 
VincentHanna said:
I saw the (ex) policemans lawyer say in the opening statement that one of the causes of death was increased adrenaline.

I think my adrenaline would be pumping if I was being slowly asphyxiated with a knee on my neck...
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Most peoples adrenaline would be pumping just from being arrested.
 
VincentHanna said:
I saw the (ex) policemans lawyer say in the opening statement that one of the causes of death was increased adrenaline.

I think my adrenaline would be pumping if I was being slowly asphyxiated with a knee on my neck...
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Your adrenaline would also be pumping if arrested, even more so if you then resisted arrest and kicked off so much that meant you needed to be forcibly controlled. Also if you had swallowed multiple drugs and 'couldn't breathe' your adrenaline would also be pumping.
 
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